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    #11
    Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
    Sounds good. Very limited flights to Europe, will boost the UK (less people travelling so spending here instead of there). Others will travel further afield (e.g. USA). And for the rest of us, less poor chavs in Europe.

    Win-win, Brexit does it again.

    USA is art of the Open Skies agreement with the EU. "no deal" means no flights to the US either.
    …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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      #12
      Originally posted by WTFH View Post
      USA is art of the Open Skies agreement with the EU. "no deal" means no flights to the US either.
      Good, who wants to visit Trumpland anyway!

      We can turn all our airports into track-day race tracks.

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        #13
        Originally posted by DimPrawn View Post
        Sounds good. Very limited flights to Europe, will boost the UK (less people travelling so spending here instead of there). Others will travel further afield (e.g. USA). And for the rest of us, less poor chavs in Europe.
        Why do you care about less poor chavs in Europe, ain't you going to live in lovely Swindon for the rest of your days?

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          #14
          Originally posted by AtW View Post
          Why do you care about less poor chavs in Europe, ain't you going to live in lovely Swindon for the rest of your days?
          He's scared of them moving around the country rioting.
          "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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            #15
            Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
            He's scared of them stealing his gold bars
            FTFY

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              #16
              Originally posted by tazdevil View Post
              Europe’s “fully liberalised” aviation market so that's why the want to restrict stuff to just the EU as an introverted entity

              Lot's of people around the world work in Europe, lots of none EU airlines fly into and out of EU countries. The EU isn't Europe just a tin pot wannabe federal republic, George Orwell predicted it

              There's lots of the rest of the world and we'll be better off simply getting back to our world outlook rather than being a lackey of the corrupt and introverted EU
              Orwell predicted Brexit.

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                #17
                Originally posted by WTFH View Post
                USA is art of the Open Skies agreement with the EU. "no deal" means no flights to the US either.
                Some people struggle with this very basic concept, unfortunately.

                Lots of airlines from outside the EU fly into the EU, but they do so by way of a bilateral aviation treaty either between the EU and the third country (e.g. USA), or between individual member states and the third country. (there is no EU to India aviation agreement, but there is a UK to India agreement).

                If we leave the EU and drop out of the ECAA (by not accepting EASA as regulatory body, and jurisdiction of ECJ over aviation matters) then there will no longer be a right for:

                a) UK airlines to fly from UK to EU
                b) UK airlines to fly between two EU countries, e.g. France to Germany
                c) UK airlines to fly a domestic sector within another EU country, e.g. within France.
                d) EU airlines to fly to the UK
                e) UK airlines to fly to third countries covered by ECAA, e.g. Morocco, USA, Jordan... 44 countries I think
                f) UK airlines to fly from an EU country to the USA (e.g. 'Openskies' from Paris to New York).

                a and b will probably be the most simple to overcome, that would hurt EU airlines a little. I imagine there will be an Open Skies treaty between the UK and the EU. But you know what - that's a 'deal'. If May and co walk off in a huff and we don't get a deal, then on Brexit day 1, there will be a lot of grounded planes.

                We'll never get b,c or f without being in ECAA, and we'd need to negotiate new deals for e for UK to USA flights to resume. You'd think that would be trivial, but as recently as 10 years ago the UK was unable to liberalise the UK to USA market. It took the EU to liberalise that. The one thing you can bank on the USA is a UK-US air agreement which benefits US airlines a hell of a lot more than UK airlines.

                easyJet are having to open an Austrian subsidiary company to keep flying EU flights after Brexit, and that has meant jobs, profits and taxes now go to Austria, and not to the UK.

                And this is the rub. Brexiters who "don't care about the greedy bankers and greedy corporates" forget that said greedy bankers and corporates in the UK pay tax. But they wont be doing after Brexit, because they won't be able to.

                I absolutely hope we're not heading towards Ultra hard Brexit, but it is pure fantasy to think it will be business as usual once we're out of the customs union and the single market.
                Taking a break from contracting

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by chopper View Post
                  I absolutely hope we're not heading towards Ultra hard Brexit, but it is pure fantasy to think it will be business as usual once we're out of the customs union and the single market.
                  We sure as hell heading towards it - this is what Tory Brexiting Scum want: it's their only way to reduce chance of rolling Brexit back, so it's going to be ultra hardcore one to teach most people in this country a lesson...

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by The Spartan View Post
                    I say go for it, it won't just hurt the UK but the EU too. Brits spend far too much money holidaying in Europe let's see how their economies fair without it.
                    Yes, it will hurt both. The UK more than EU. So hopefully there will be some kind of deal.

                    Originally posted by Mordac View Post
                    Oh ffs not this crap again. So you don't think any UK airlines will be allowed to fly into the EU? ...
                    If there is no deal, this is exactly what will happen. That's why there will be efforts to have some kind of deal.

                    Edit: see Chopper's analysis if you don't understand.
                    Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by northernladyuk View Post
                      Orwell predicted Brexit.

                      you know the Daily Mail isn't the state don't you?
                      Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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