Reasoned and intelligent discussion on Brexit

[DimPrawn]

Brexiteers will hate it ("I can't stand people telling me I can't buy halogen bulbs after this month"). However the EU vehicle is being steered by 27 of the best and most UK-like countries in the world. We won't have a say but I don't have a say on which airways the pilot is flying when I go on holiday to Lanzarote. I'm comfortable he's taking an entirely sensible route, and I'm sure they will.

Damn your well reasoned response.

[sasguru]

I am comfortable the people steering the vehicle will take a route which ensure's their own personal wealth and safety.

I do not think they could give a flying fook about any other human being.

The fact that someone as congenitally stupid as you can actually make a living is proof enough that the system isn't just geared to the elite.

[DimPrawn]

Brexiteers will hate it ("I can't stand people telling me I can't buy halogen bulbs after this month"). However the EU vehicle is being steered by 27 of the best and most UK-like countries in the world. We won't have a say but I don't have a say on which airways the pilot is flying when I go on holiday to Lanzarote. I'm comfortable he's taking an entirely sensible route, and I'm sure they will.

Hasn't it been the case over the last 30+ years that the direction of the EU suits the Franco-German masters, and if it benefits the UK by some side-effect, great, if it doesn't, they plough on regardless?

We've paid in over £500,000,000,000 in total, and our infrastructure is some of the worst in Europe. We've been duped. Enough is enough.

[sasguru]

Hasn't it been the case over the last 30+ years that the direction of the EU suits the Franco-German masters, and if it benefits the UK by some side-effect, great, if it doesn't, they plough on regardless?

We've paid in over £500,000,000,000 in total, and our infrastructure is some of the worst in Europe. We've been duped. Enough is enough.

Funny that point of view.
Many Europeans think the EU is too neo-liberal economically because of the UK's influence - all those free-market ideas and austerity are directly from Maggie's playbook.

Anyway if you think that we have more in common with India and China than our European neighbours , than a hard Brexit would be logical.

[DimPrawn]

Funny that point of view.
Many Europeans think the EU is too neo-liberal economically because of the UK's influence - all those free-market ideas and austerity are directly from Maggie's playbook.

Anyway if you think that we have more in common with India and China than our European neighbours , than a hard Brexit would be logical.

Our wages and standard of living (on average) is more India/China like than Germany. Maybe we should partner up with the emerging markets.

[sasguru]

Our wages and standard of living (on average) is more India/China like than Germany. Maybe we should partner up with the emerging markets.

Feck me, you really should have abandoned VB6 a long time ago

[DimPrawn]

Feck me, you really should have abandoned VB6 a long time ago

Nah, at least another 20 years life in VB6 yet.

[PurpleGorilla]

"Bilateral" is usually used when referring to 2 countries. So we'd have to have deals with every single EU country separately, which isn't feasible in any time frame.
If you're using "bilateral" to refer to the UK and the EU, then that "bilateral policy", as you call it, if it came to exist, amounts to the same thing as a "transitional deal" between the UK and the EU.

Doh!

I know what bilateral means you gimp.

The transitional deal breaches red lines. I’m talking about something exceptionally lean; which still enables basic functional relationships between the EU - UK.

[Cirrus]

Great Idea. But Sadly Impossible

The transitional deal breaches red lines.

Red lines: like a railway track they extend from two years behind us and, as we look into the far distance, they still don't ever quite converge.

And, of course, never will.

[meridian]

I know what bilateral means you gimp.

The transitional deal breaches red lines. I’m talking about something exceptionally lean; which still enables basic functional relationships between the EU - UK.

Exceptionally lean still removes the 750 trade deals and trade enablers that we are party to due to membership of the EU.

We can do a lean deal on airlines with the EU, for example, but our flight rights to other countries are tied up in other EU agreements with those countries.