Brexit plan was sold by liars and UK plan is unworkable, Macron says

[sasguru]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/09/20/e...ntl/index.html

Yup that's about the sum of it.

[scooterscot]

The EU members sat round that table, am I alone in thinking Spectre annual meeting?

[meridian]

Brexit plan was sold by liars and UK plan is unworkable, Macron says

Diplomatically, a complete disaster - again, through no fault of anyone but May and the Conservatives.

Their approach has seemed to be
- spend two years arguing amongst themselves what their position should be
- agree that position ((Chequers) and then immediately half of them retract it and resign
- rather than using that as the starting point for negotiations, present it as a take-it-or-Leave-it solution to both the U.K. parliament and the EU.

Top it off with the Conservative MEPs siding with a right-wing pariah...

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d...otes-ksztlfv06

Mrs May was then undermined by her allies. Viktor Orban ... weighed into the debate, railing against a “camp” of EU leaders... As a discredited leader, Mr Orban’s support was, as one official said, “like that of a rope for a hanged man”

[meridian]

And it looks like the U.K. mode of negotiation has been rumbled:

Mr Varadkar, who had a bilateral meeting with British Prime Minister Theresa May this morning, said that she promised she would shortly be bringing forward proposals on the backstop, “but we haven’t seen anything in writing.”

He would not be drawn to comment on suggestions that these would address means of putting some regulatory controls on the Irish Sea. “There was a pattern of verbal briefings promising that certain things would happen,” he said, “and when the documents arrive they are not quite what we expected”.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/poli...king-1.3635978

[sasguru]

It's truly astonishing that a plan, and a crap one at that (Chequers), has only just emerged after years of Tory bickering and in-fighting.
And as soon as that plan was released, senior members of the Cabinete immediately resigned, thus undermining it even before it was presented.
Why was Article 50 triggered so fast? Surely would have been better to have a plan in place then trigger it?

But to be fair it's just one item in a long pattern of increasing British incompetence that I've noticed over the decades, in all but a few areas of excellence - and those only exist in the private sector.

[shaunbhoy]

incompetence that I've noticed over the decades

Stop plagiarising!! The contents of your your Annual Appraisals are supposed to be confidential!

[sasguru]

Stop plagiarising!! The contents of your your Annual Appraisals are supposed to be confidential!

Doh! You need to look up the meaning of "plagiarising". What a dumbkopf.

[shaunbhoy]

Doh! You need to look up the meaning of "plagiarising". What a dumbkopf.

You truly are thicker than two short planks.

My post suggested that the phrase "incompetence that I've noticed over the decades" was something that had been written about you by your supervisor, or whichever poor fool has been saddled with getting any useful work out of you. You have then used it in one of your posts and passed it off as your own thoughts.

Ally to that the fact that the dictionary definition of "plagiarising" is "take the work or an idea of (someone) and pass it off as one's own", and it is not difficult for anyone observing this to see who the "Dumbkopf" is.

Not that there was any mystery about it even prior to your latest piffle. You remain the forum head-dimwit by some distance. And given that you spend so much time within the Brexit sub-forum and have beaten off fierce competition, that is no mean accolade.

[sasguru]

You truly are thicker than two short planks.

My post suggested that the phrase "incompetence that I've noticed over the decades" was something that had been written about you by your supervisor, or whichever poor fool has been saddled with getting any useful work out of you. You have then used it in one of your posts and passed it off as your own thoughts.

Ally to that the fact that the dictionary definition of "plagiarising" is "take the work or an idea of (someone) and pass it off as one's own", and it is not difficult for anyone observing this to see who the "Dumbkopf" is.

Not that there was any mystery about it even prior to your latest piffle. You remain the forum head-dimwit by some distance. And given that you spend so much time within the Brexit sub-forum and have beaten off fierce competition, that is no mean accolade.

Ah bless - you assume everyone has a "supervisor" thus betraying your public-sector squaddie origins.
A follower never a leader. "Not officer material" was clearly repeated often enough by your "supervisor".
Us dynamic private sector types either run our own companies or occasionally are head-hunted to lead departments.
Leadership is not something you'll ever have experienced though

[Old Greg]

Screw the EUSSR. The UK will be 350 million per week richer with a jam, tea and biscuit centred export boom.

The UK holds all the cards.