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[Whorty]

Why Irish Voters Rejected the Lisbon Treaty | The Brussels Journal

Remember when Ireland voted to Reject the Lisbon Treaty?

And they were pressured to keep voting until the "correct" result emerged.

How very EUseful!

Typical tw@tty Brexiter fake comment. The Irish rejected the Lisbon Treaty due to some points they did not support. The Irish government negotiated with the EU the changes to the Treaty that the Irish voters wanted. The Irish got the concessions off the EU, these were then put to the Irish public to vote on and they OVERWHELMINGLY voted in favour of the treaty.

Typical Brexiter lies that the Irish were made to vote over and over until they gave the answer the EU wanted.

Good try, but no cigar.

[WTFH]

Typical Brexiter lies that the Irish were made to vote over and over until they gave the answer the EU wanted.

And then he wonders why the Irish dislike English people who are like him.

[AtW]

Believing in religion doesn't affect anyone.

[shaunbhoy]

As many observers of European politics know, democracy does not come easy on a continent where European elites view themselves as an aristocracy entitled to rule over the ignorant masses. Indeed, the entire European social welfare state has been built upon the unspoken quid pro quo of “bread and circuses” (ie, the cradle-to-grave nanny state) for the general populace, in exchange for their loyal submission to the political and intellectual classes.

Thus it should come as no big surprise that the word ‘No’ does not exist in the European political lexicon. After voters in France and the Netherlands rejected the European Constitution (of which the Lisbon Treaty is an almost exact replica) in 2005, European elites famously advised the miscreants to keep voting until they come up with the right answer.

The more things change, the more they stay the same. And still the sheep blindly follow, obediently tugging their forelocks.

[WTFH]

The more things change, the more they stay the same. And still the sheep blindly follow, obediently tugging their forelocks.

You sheeple one, get over it, and get on with it.

[Mordac]

Remember when they let the British public decide on the name of a boat? And the result was disregarded because they felt the public's decision was too silly to follow through on?
That was just the name of a boat.

If only they'd held a referendum and promised to abide by the result. It would have been so much easier...

[Mordac]

it does in ireland and is the root cause of all the failed brexit negotiations

You're half-right, but the root cause is the EU not wanting us to leave under any circumstances, and stalling on the Irish border issue is designed to ensure Parliament either overturns Brexit entirely, or forces a second vote at the time most likely to deliver for Remain this time.
Whether that tactic is successful depends on the strength of the PMs spine, and as time goes on, I'm becoming less certain that she actually has one at all...

[WTFH]

You're half-right, but the root cause is the EU not wanting us to leave under any circumstances, and stalling on the Irish border issue is designed to ensure Parliament either overturns Brexit entirely, or forces a second vote at the time most likely to deliver for Remain this time.
Whether that tactic is successful depends on the strength of the PMs spine, and as time goes on, I'm becoming less certain that she actually has one at all...

Are you saying that the EU is stalling on the Irish border issue, or is it the UK who aren't coming up with suggestions?

In another thread, a Brexit supporter claimed that the EU had crushed all the UKs proposals for the border, when I challenged him to tell me what the proposals were, he said that he didn't now because they were not made public.
He didn't know if there were any proposals made by the UK
He didn't know if they had been presented or discussed
He didn't know if they had been crushed/rejected by the EU

But he was happy to repeat the falsehood that he had sheepishly believed which is that the EU is rejecting every proposal.

[GJABS]

Typical tw@tty Brexiter fake comment. The Irish rejected the Lisbon Treaty due to some points they did not support. The Irish government negotiated with the EU the changes to the Treaty that the Irish voters wanted. The Irish got the concessions off the EU, these were then put to the Irish public to vote on and they OVERWHELMINGLY voted in favour of the treaty.

Typical Brexiter lies that the Irish were made to vote over and over until they gave the answer the EU wanted.

Good try, but no cigar.

It isn't a lie. The Irish were invited to vote twice when that could enable something that the EU wanted (Ireland to accept the Lisbon Treaty), yet from 1975 to 2016 the British were refused a referendum when one of the options could enable something that the EU did not want (Britain to leave the EU).

[darmstadt]

It isn't a lie. The Irish were invited to vote twice when that could enable something that the EU wanted (Ireland to accept the Lisbon Treaty), yet from 1975 to 2016 the British were refused a referendum when one of the options could enable something that the EU did not want (Britain to leave the EU).

Who refused this referendum, the EU? Or was it the government who saw the advantage of staying in the EU

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