Tory rebels cave

[Cirrus]

Except we know exactly what the outcome will be. We finally get to elect those who make the rules. Unlike now, when those who make the rules don't even have to bother themselves with the inconveniences of the electorate...

Mordac, keep up will you! We've done this before.

1) The rules are made by the 27 countries. The EU merely coordinate, promulgate and police. The 27 countries are are all elected.
2) You won't get to elect who makes the rule. You can have a local ballot paper (a bit like the local MEP ballot paper) but it doesn't determine who gets to make the rules* and even if it did it wouldn't give you any particular say in what rules are made.


* where I live they probably don't bother to count the votes. The Tories always get in with 107%. Of course they don't actually get much more than 99% but the figure is inflated because they love to see the gullible populace believe any old nonsense they chuck their way. Hook, line and sinker.

[BlasterBates]

The argument that Britain will make its own rules is academic. All newspapers now reporting that the UK will stay in the EU customs union until as such time that a new incredibly complicated trade deal has been agreed.

This means the UK won't have left the EU by the next general election, thus allowing Labour a landslide, which will obviously mean the UK will officially become a vassal state of the EU.

Freedom from the EU is simply a "Narnia" fairy tale.

The key difference between being a vassal state and a member is that elected UK politicians will no longer be able to veto any unpalatable rules.

[Paddy]

Except we know exactly what the outcome will be. We finally get to elect those who make the rules. Unlike now, when those who make the rules don't even have to bother themselves with the inconveniences of the electorate...

What rules would these be?

Would it be the EU rule that electrical goods must have a three year guarantee? The UK decided to opt out of that one.

Would it be the EU abolishing mobile phone roaming charges? Well that's why Vodafone was pro-Brexit.

[AtW]

Freedom from the EU is simply a "Narnia" fairy tale.

Yes, but you are forgetting that the Russian free money given as part of sweet risk free deal in order to fund Leave.EU are very much real, allegedly...

[shaunbhoy]

* where I live they probably don't bother to count the votes.

Yes. I've heard they take a pretty cavalier approach to things in Narnia.

[Cirrus]

Do you ever actually connect to reality?

Yes. I've heard they take a pretty cavalier approach to things in Narnia.

PosterBhoy, Narnia doesn't exist!

How can you have heard they take a pretty cavalier approach to things when the place does not exist???

[AtW]

PosterBhoy, Narnia doesn't exist! How can you have heard they take a pretty cavalier approach to things when the place does not exist???

Have some respect for the ex-Army Sergeant who setup whole of India's mobile network before buggering off back to Blighty on Tornado with a bowl of spaghetti.

Thank Goodness he saved India from imminent Soviet invasion.

[shaunbhoy]

Have some respect for the ex-Army Sergeant who setup whole of India's mobile network before buggering off back to Blighty on Tornado with a bowl of spaghetti.

Thank Goodness he saved India from imminent Soviet invasion.

Wanna talk military service do we alexei?

[Cirrus]

Have some respect for the ex-Army Sergeant

While he's coming up with typical Brexit bollox we can take pleasure in shooting him down with reality (although he just bounces back up like nothing had happened) but now he's going bananas. There's no fun in that.

Come on PosterBhoy, give us some more target practice!

[Mordac]

What rules would these be?

Would it be the EU rule that electrical goods must have a three year guarantee? The UK decided to opt out of that one.

Would it be the EU abolishing mobile phone roaming charges? Well that's why Vodafone was pro-Brexit.

I'll start with the CAP. Who voted to agree that we'd all have to subsidise EU farmers (and, by accident, wealthy landowners)? What are the chances we'll ever be able to opt-out of, or reform the the CAP?
You can quote all the little technical rules you like, my issue is with the big rules which won't ever change. You won't convince me that the EU doesn't simply exist for the benefit of a select few, and thanks to a whole bunch of smoke and mirrors, the gullible populace think they can't possibly exist without it.