EUSSR news: Fishing: New EU rules could have 'grave' impact on UK industry

[Old Greg]

But if we leave the EU we kind of do what we want...

Does that involve selling fresh fish in EU markets free from tariff and non-tariff barriers? Because if that is what, the UK wants, then it must have it! With a free unicorn!

[Mordac]

Does that involve selling fresh fish in EU markets free from tariff and non-tariff barriers? Because if that is what, the UK wants, then it must have it! With a free unicorn!

When they are no longer able to come and help themselves to the contents of our territorial waters, they'll have to buy it from us. Were you ever acquainted with the concept of the 'demand' side of trade?
If they choose not to buy from UK fishermen, and go somewhere else instead, UK fish stocks will have a chance to recover. As many on here have pointed out, the UK fishing industry is worth feck all in the grand scheme of things, so we're in a no-lose situation.

[chopper]

When they are no longer able to come and help themselves to the contents of our territorial waters, they'll have to buy it from us. Were you ever acquainted with the concept of the 'demand' side of trade?
If they choose not to buy from UK fishermen, and go somewhere else instead, UK fish stocks will have a chance to recover. As many on here have pointed out, the UK fishing industry is worth feck all in the grand scheme of things, so we're in a no-lose situation.

So you don't understand how the Common Fisheries Policy works then? When we leave the EU, we'll find that we're still subject to the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which mandates... quotas to maintain sustainable fishing, and access to the EEZ by other nations for the purpose of fishing.

Here is some interesting stats lifted from the UK Sea Fisheries Annual Report 2017

Fishing boats from EU countries can fish in the waters of all EU countries. When looking at the UK’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) – an area defined in international law as extending up to 200 nautical miles from a country’s coast, in which that country is entitled to control fishing – a study by the NAFC Marine Centre at the University of the Highlands and Islands suggests that the majority of fish and shellfish was caught by EU boats. The study estimates that an average of 58% of fish and shellfish caught in the UK’s water was landed by fishing boats from other EU countries each year between 2012 and 2014. This is said to represent about 650,000 tonnes of fish and shellfish worth over £400 million each year. In the same period, UK fishing boats were estimated to have landed an average of 90,000 tonnes of fish and shellfish, worth £100 million, caught in other EU member states’ waters each year.

The Marine Management Organisation estimates that in 2015, UK fishing boats landed between 94,000 and 149,000 tonnes from the Exclusive Economic Zones of other EU member states, worth £90 -169 million. This suggests that about 16% of all fish and shellfish landed by UK vessels into the UK and abroad that year was caught in other EU member states’ waters.

The UK is the has the third largest TAC quota in the EU, behind Spain and Denmark.

Now - if we leave with no deal, then any food/animals we try and export will become subject to full sanitary and phytosanitary checks by the EU (it's the law), which isn't particularly good when it comes to fresh fish. So demand for British fish will die away and the lives of British fishermen will be wrecked. The boats get sold. We'll have no fishing industry left.

You see, most of the fish we catch is exported to the EU. The fish we eat tends to be imported.

Fish is such an insignificant part of our economy - about 11,000 full and part time fishermen in the UK. Harrods employs about the same number of people. Why chuck the UK economy under the bus for a week's worth of EU contributions worth of fish?

[Old Greg]

When they are no longer able to come and help themselves to the contents of our territorial waters, they'll have to buy it from us. Were you ever acquainted with the concept of the 'demand' side of trade?
If they choose not to buy from UK fishermen, and go somewhere else instead, UK fish stocks will have a chance to recover. As many on here have pointed out, the UK fishing industry is worth feck all in the grand scheme of things, so we're in a no-lose situation.

And the German car manufacturers will force the EUSSR to protect their exports to the UK.

[chopper]

And the German car manufacturers will force the EUSSR to protect their exports to the UK.

Why would German car exports to the UK be impacted? We're still going to be buying German cars, we'll just be paying more for them. (via devalued currency, new import duties, and the fact that they wont be bound by EU competition law when selling to the UK, meaning that once again they can charge UK consumers more).

[Old Greg]

Why would German car exports to the UK be impacted? We're still going to be buying German cars, we'll just be paying more for them. (via devalued currency, new import duties, and the fact that they wont be bound by EU competition law when selling to the UK, meaning that once again they can charge UK consumers more).

Quoting for posterity.

[original PM]

Why would German car exports to the UK be impacted? We're still going to be buying German cars, we'll just be paying more for them. (via devalued currency, new import duties, and the fact that they wont be bound by EU competition law when selling to the UK, meaning that once again they can charge UK consumers more).

So yes the price of a BMW could go up - and some people may still buy them - others will decide not to.

But market forces generally win out - so for example if there is an increase in the tariff on a BMW then less people will by BMW's - which means BMW have a surplus - which means they reduce the price - which means the price then comes back to what it was.

On the flip side you may start to find people realise that while german cars seem to be well made in general they have about the same chance of going wrong as pretty much any other car - so the question will be why buy German when there are other alternatives - will we just be able to spot badge snobs more easily?

Actually German cars are a bit tulip

Is German reliability a myth? - Car Keys

[Zigenare]

So yes the price of a BMW could go up - and some people may still buy them - others will decide not to.

But market forces generally win out - so for example if there is an increase in the tariff on a BMW then less people will by BMW's - which means BMW have a surplus - which means they reduce the price - which means the price then comes back to what it was.

On the flip side you may start to find people realise that while german cars seem to be well made in general they have about the same chance of going wrong as pretty much any other car - so the question will be why buy German when there are other alternatives - will we just be able to spot badge snobs more easily?

Actually German cars are a bit tulip

Is German reliability a myth? - Car Keys

I would suggest that most BMWs, Audi and Mercs are leased these days.

It will not be in the interest of the mainstream manufacturers to price their product out of the market. Tariffs will be absorbed by the manufacturer - there won't be a 20% hike in the cost of a new BMW.

[Yorkie62]

I would suggest that most cars are leased these days.

It will not be in the interest of the mainstream manufacturers to price their product out of the market. Tariffs will be absorbed by the manufacturer - there won't be a 20% hike in the cost of a new BMW.

FTFY