Thousands of UK lorry drivers face being barred from entering EU

[BlasterBates]

Looks like the EU has solved the problem of lorry queues at Folkstone

Brexit: Thousands of UK lorry drivers face being barred from entering EU after missing out on permits | The Independent

[original PM]

And this is a situation completely of the EU's making?

"Figures show more than 11,000 HGV operators applied for a European Conference of Ministers of Transport (ECMT) permit but less than 1,000 of the annual passes were made available.

The Department for Transport said an additional 2,832 one-month permits “will start to be allocated” by the end of the month, although this is still short of how many are required.

The Road Haulage Association (RHA) criticised the decision, describing the current state as an “intolerable position”.

“When the bidding process for permits was first announced, we said that it amounted to nothing more than a lottery system,” RHA chief executive, Richard Burnett said."

So ok fine we will reciprocate - come on you Euro truckers put your hat in the ring for a pass to drive on UK roads.

Roll up roll up.

[meridian]

And this is a situation completely of the EU's making?

"Figures show more than 11,000 HGV operators applied for a European Conference of Ministers of Transport (ECMT) permit but less than 1,000 of the annual passes were made available.

The Department for Transport said an additional 2,832 one-month permits “will start to be allocated” by the end of the month, although this is still short of how many are required.

The Road Haulage Association (RHA) criticised the decision, describing the current state as an “intolerable position”.

“When the bidding process for permits was first announced, we said that it amounted to nothing more than a lottery system,” RHA chief executive, Richard Burnett said."

So ok fine we will reciprocate - come on you Euro truckers put your hat in the ring for a pass to drive on UK roads.

Roll up roll up.

No, it is a situation completely of the UK's making if we leave under a "No Deal" situation. The fallback default from an EU perspective is that the UK is now immediately a third country and has no more rights than, say, HGV drivers from Turkey. It is this type of situation that May's Deal is designed to prevent, to allow a transition period where these rules can be more defined.

The UK is, of course, free to reciprocate - it needs to design and implement rules that state which foreign drivers are allowed to provide services within the UK.

But they need us more than we need them, so there should be no problem.

[BlasterBates]

It's all the EU's fault so it doesn't matter if there are no goods in the shops, we can simply blame the EU.

[Brussels Slumdog]

Isn't diving a truck work? Won't the UK truck driver require a work permit to drive his company's truck in the EU and visa versa.
Maybe the Calais dock workers wll strike on Brexit day just to add to the problem.

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[original PM]

No, it is a situation completely of the UK's making if we leave under a "No Deal" situation. The fallback default from an EU perspective is that the UK is now immediately a third country and has no more rights than, say, HGV drivers from Turkey. It is this type of situation that May's Deal is designed to prevent, to allow a transition period where these rules can be more defined.

The UK is, of course, free to reciprocate - it needs to design and implement rules that state which foreign drivers are allowed to provide services within the UK.

But they need us more than we need them, so there should be no problem.

But this is the point isn't it - does this level of bureaucracy actually help trade - whether it's the EU and the UK or the EU/UK and many other countries.

Everyone knew things would change when we left - and many haulage firms probably expected some sort of permit/licence being needed which would have come with a cost.

What no one actually expected was for the EU to not issue the permits when people apply in plenty of time.

Now do you see how this is a problem of the EU's making - they are deliberately making it difficult - just because they have not got their own way.

[BlasterBates]

But this is the point isn't it - does this level of bureaucracy actually help trade - whether it's the EU and the UK or the EU/UK and many other countries.

Everyone knew things would change when we left - and many haulage firms probably expected some sort of permit/licence being needed which would have come with a cost.

What no one actually expected was for the EU to not issue the permits when people apply in plenty of time.

Now do you see how this is a problem of the EU's making - they are deliberately making it difficult - just because they have not got their own way.

well spotted David Davis was wrong, project fear has become project reality, but never mind the referendum is done and dusted.

[DaveB]

But this is the point isn't it - does this level of bureaucracy actually help trade - whether it's the EU and the UK or the EU/UK and many other countries.

Everyone knew things would change when we left - and many haulage firms probably expected some sort of permit/licence being needed which would have come with a cost.

What no one actually expected was for the EU to not issue the permits when people apply in plenty of time.

Now do you see how this is a problem of the EU's making - they are deliberately making it difficult - just because they have not got their own way.

It's not the EU issuing the permits, it's managd by the DVSA in the UK.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/ecmt-int...aulage-permits.

[meridian]

Isn't diving a truck work? Won't the UK truck driver require a work permit to drive his company's truck in the EU and visa versa.
Maybe the Calais dock workers wll strike on Brexit day just to add to the problem.

I wouldn't recommend diving one

But yes, it's providing Services. Apparently we don't need Services, we need Goods. Goods that will magically appear in our shops.

[meridian]

But this is the point isn't it - does this level of bureaucracy actually help trade - whether it's the EU and the UK or the EU/UK and many other countries.

Everyone knew things would change when we left - and many haulage firms probably expected some sort of permit/licence being needed which would have come with a cost.

What no one actually expected was for the EU to not issue the permits when people apply in plenty of time.

Now do you see how this is a problem of the EU's making - they are deliberately making it difficult - just because they have not got their own way.

What no-one actually expected was for No Deal to become a possibility. If the deal is signed then there is a transition period to work this stuff out, this is only a problem if we leave with No Deal.

This is completely a problem of the UK's making. It is the UK that is deciding that No Deal is a viable option.

You voted for us to be a third country, you really need to own your decision and understand exactly what being a third party is.