Look what Brexit has done now

[DimPrawn]

Training Britons to take the jobs EU migrants are leaving - BBC News

Learning Curve is a company that trains unemployed people in the skills they need to enter the jobs market.

Now that thousands of migrant workers from the EU are quitting their jobs in the UK, it has started a new venture - training British people to take the jobs that EU citizens are leaving behind.


Imagine that, investing time and money into your own people, what a stupid idea. Cancel Brexit now!

[meridian]

Training Britons to take the jobs EU migrants are leaving - BBC News

Learning Curve is a company that trains unemployed people in the skills they need to enter the jobs market.

Now that thousands of migrant workers from the EU are quitting their jobs in the UK, it has started a new venture - training British people to take the jobs that EU citizens are leaving behind.


Imagine that, investing time and money into your own people, what a stupid idea. Cancel Brexit now!

I don’t really want to tulip on a company that’s providing training (I agree with you, by the way, that time and money should be invested), but:

- are these going to be qualified tradespeople? Properly organised and paid-for apprenticeships (for trades) and recognised qualifications (for caters, etc) should also be provided.

- although one of the drivers is stated as EU workers returning, another one stated is Universal Credit. Which is the bigger driver, more low-skilled job openings due to EU workers returning, or fear of getting benefits cut?

[meridian]

I just looked up the national minimum wage, and apparently even though the minimum wage for 25 and older is £7.85, for people in an apprenticeship it’s only £3.70.

How the **** are older people supposed to retrain for a qualification on £3.70 an hour?

National Minimum Wage and National Living Wage rates - GOV.UK

[Yorkie62]

I just looked up the national minimum wage, and apparently even though the minimum wage for 25 and older is £7.85, for people in an apprenticeship it’s only £3.70.

How the **** are older people supposed to retrain for a qualification on £3.70 an hour?

National Minimum Wage and National Living Wage rates - GOV.UK

How is anybody, regardless of age, supposed to train for a qualification on £3.70 per hour.

I remember back in the days of GEC and Lord Weinstock that his view was that all employees should have a "training debt" which fluctuated over the duration of time they spent with GEC ( or any company) depending on training received and time spent after training. Similar to the depreciation of a capital asset. When you changed companies you took this 'training debt" with you with you new company agreeing to reimburse your old co for the outstanding "training debt", a bit like a transfer fee if you like. I could see this working for apprenticeships enabling a better 'living' wage to be applied whilst training and it adding to the 'training debt'. There would have to be rules of course to protect the employee in cases where the organisation disposes of the employee services, e.g. redundancy, and any 'training debt' is wiped out.

[NotAllThere]

How is anybody, regardless of age, supposed to train for a qualification on £3.70 per hour.

I remember back in the days of GEC and Lord Weinstock that his view was that all employees should have a "training debt" which fluctuated over the duration of time they spent with GEC ( or any company) depending on training received and time spent after training. Similar to the depreciation of a capital asset. When you changed companies you took this 'training debt" with you with you new company agreeing to reimburse your old co for the outstanding "training debt", a bit like a transfer fee if you like. I could see this working for apprenticeships enabling a better 'living' wage to be applied whilst training and it adding to the 'training debt'. There would have to be rules of course to protect the employee in cases where the organisation disposes of the employee services, e.g. redundancy, and any 'training debt' is wiped out.

Seems like a neat idea The Tories won't do it, because it's interfering with business. Labour won't do it, because it's indentured servitude. Maybe one day a government that actual considers the welfare of the country as a whole will get in.

[Eirikur]

Wait Britain needs to pay themselves now to get qualified workers instead of highly trained well qualified workers for free form all over Europe?
This certainly means some services need to be scrapped to finance this

[meridian]

Wait Britain needs to pay themselves now to get qualified workers instead of highly trained well qualified workers for free form all over Europe?
This certainly means some services need to be scrapped to finance this

Well, that’s both the quid pro quo and the paradox of Brexit.

On the one hand, EU citizens are coming over here and taking all the unskilled jobs. In which case there is no need for additional training, because they’re unskilled.

On the other hand, EU citizens have been skilled up in their own countries at the cost of their home country, with the U.K. acting as some sort of international pariah. When these skilled workers go home, they need to be replaced by equally skilled U.K. workers, which means the U.K. paying to train those skills.

[scooterscot]

Would you trust a Yorkshire man cleaning you NHS loos?

[Yorkie62]

Would you trust a Yorkshire man cleaning you NHS loos?

This post is sexist. Why is it a man cleaning the loos and not a woman.

A yorkshireman would never clean loos that is woman's work.

[Eirikur]

This post is sexist. Why is it a man cleaning the loos and not a woman.

A yorkshireman would never clean loos that is woman's work.

And he's not even joking he means it