Ayes to the right 286 Noes to the left 344

[DaveB]

You do realise that the number one way to guarantee that we talk of nothing but Brexit for the next 20 years is to pass May's rancid deal? Then you need the legislation (multiple votes, vastly more contentious than the WA). Trade deals -- the chlorinated chicken scandal is just a preview.

Very good that this was defeated, or we'd be heading for no deal with no possibility of extension.

Unless the EU agree to another extension it makes No Deal far more likely, since even if something else can be put forward and agreed on there won't be time to pass the required legislation before 12th April.

[MattZani]

This is not going to happen. That's why all the Brexiters finally voted for May's deal. They know that the alternative is a long extension, EU elections, and with a bit of luck Brexit dies like the rabid dog it is.

Long extension? Has it been agreed already? I don't think so.

The UK can only ask and hope the EU will grant one. Actually getting it depends on how much patience left the EU has.

[zerosum]

Unless the EU agree to another extension it makes No Deal far more likely, since even if something else can be put forward and agreed on there won't be time to pass the required legislation before 12th April.

The reason Raab and Johnson came around to vote on the WA? Because they know that in that case, there could be no more extensions. We *have to* decide to organise EU elections by April 12th, or there can be no more extensions -- the EU would be illegally constituted. If this deal had passed, May could really genuinely have threatened 'pass my deal or no deal', and for once it wouldn't be bulltulip.

The EU will agree, if we agree to hold EU elections and provide a reason for delay.

[zerosum]

Long extension? Has it been agreed already? I don't think so.

The UK can only ask and hope the EU will grant one. Actually getting it depends on how much patience left the EU has.

Yes -- but we couldn't even have asked for more extensions if the WA had passed, because of the EU election issue.

Raab/Rees-Mogg/Johnson gameplan very transparent. Vote for this deal, then make merry hell with all the real legislation that needs to pass. By May 22nd, May's deal, or no deal. A real cliff edge.

[Eirikur]

The reason Raab and Johnson came around to vote on the WA? Because they know that in that case, there could be no more extensions. .

ermm no
The reason they came around is that May promised to resign and that would put them in line to become PM.
Only self interest nothing else

[DaveB]

Negative. The reason Raab and Johnson came around to vote on the WA? Because they know that there will be no more extensions. We *have to* decide to organise EU elections by April 12th, or there can be no more extensions -- the EU would be illegally constituted. If this deal had passed, May could really genuinely have threatened 'pass my deal or no deal', and for once it wouldn't be bulltulip.

No. If this deal had passed the vote we would be leaving on the 22nd May, giving time for the required legislation to be passed. Even if there was opposition in the HoC the government could have forced it through. We would then be into the transition period where we are supposed to thrash out trade deals/arrangements etc.

As it hasn't passed, the deadline is now the 12th April. If nothing happens between now and then to agree a deal or a further extension we crash out with no deal.

[zerosum]

No. If this deal had passed the vote we would be leaving on the 22nd May, giving time for the required legislation to be passed. Even if there was opposition in the HoC the government could have forced it through. We would then be into the transition period where we are supposed to thrash out trade deals/arrangements etc.

As it hasn't passed, the deadline is now the 12th April. If nothing happens between now and then to agree a deal or a further extension we crash out with no deal.

Better to have a chance to organise EU elections (even if it requires the good will of the EU) and rethink the whole sorry mess. Very glad Raab/Rees-Mogg/Johnson/May have been resisted. Some of the unlikely allies are terminally cretinous (Redwood), for others (the DUP) the Union genuinely is more important than any other issue.

[MattZani]

Yes -- but we couldn't even have asked for more extensions if the WA had passed, because of the EU election issue.

So you're still saying a long extension has already been decided and granted by the EU?

[zerosum]

As it hasn't passed, the deadline is now the 12th April. If nothing happens between now and then to agree a deal or a further extension we crash out with no deal.

If we agree to organise EU elections and there is a reason -- general election, referendum, softer Brexit -- the EU will not throw Ireland under the bus.

[darmstadt]

12th April is the new 29th March....