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    #21
    If you have a common market you need common rules.

    That's what the EU is all about.

    USMCA also involves the US meddling in "Mexico's sovereignty". The US China trade deal also involves the US meddling in China's sovereignty.

    The difference with the EU is that the UK can veto anything it doesn't like, whereas Mexico and China have to swallow whatever the US shoves down their throat.
    I'm alright Jack

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      #22
      Originally posted by Bean View Post
      Surprised Old Greg et al haven't started a séance to ask Winston exactly how our sovereignty has been lost...
      Why would he need to?

      Churchill was saying that under the right conditions the Liberals and Conservatives would accept some greater or lesser degree of reduction in Sovereignty as part of a wider European community.

      His view was that National Sovereignty was not inviolate but was open to change depending on the circumstances.

      Unfortunately that doesn't really chime with the Leaver rhetoric when invoking his spirit in the name of Brexit.
      "Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.

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        #23
        Originally posted by DaveB View Post
        Why would he need to?

        Churchill was saying that under the right conditions the Liberals and Conservatives would accept some greater or lesser degree of reduction in Sovereignty as part of a wider European community.

        His view was that National Sovereignty was not inviolate but was open to change depending on the circumstances.

        Unfortunately that doesn't really chime with the Leaver rhetoric when invoking his spirit in the name of Brexit.
        Doesn't really matter though, does it?

        Depending on the circumstances. Do you think the circumstances are right?
        Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.

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          #24
          Originally posted by Zigenare View Post
          Doesn't really matter though, does it?

          Depending on the circumstances. Do you think the circumstances are right?

          Circumstances are right to pick up rifles to anyone preventing unelected Farage's version of Brexit?
          …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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            #25
            Originally posted by WTFH View Post
            Circumstances are right to pick up rifles to anyone preventing unelected Farage's version of Brexit?
            What is Farage's version of Brexit?
            Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Zigenare View Post
              What is Farage's version of Brexit?
              Why dont you ask him, he doesn't really seem to have clarified it yet.
              "Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.

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                #27
                Originally posted by Zigenare View Post
                Doesn't really matter though, does it?

                Depending on the circumstances. Do you think the circumstances are right?
                Irrelevent. The Leaver rhetoric as per your original fake quote, is that we should invoke the "Churchillian Spirit", claim back our sovereignty and be done with the evil interfering EU.

                Churchills view was that Sovereignty was not inviolate and could be abrogated to a greater or lesser degree for the common good.

                How do you, as a leave support, square that?
                "Being nice costs nothing and sometimes gets you extra bacon" - Pondlife.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Zigenare View Post
                  What is Farage's version of Brexit?

                  You mean you don't know?

                  He said in his statement "If they don't deliver this Brexit that I've spent 25 years of my life working for"

                  What has he been working for over the last 25 years? (I realise some might not accept it, but he used to lead another party called UKIP)

                  Perhaps some members of the Farage Youth can tell us what he wants.
                  …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by DaveB View Post
                    Why dont you ask him, he doesn't really seem to have clarified it yet.
                    Because there seem to be a few people on here who seem pretty certain that they know.
                    Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.

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                      #30
                      How has this thread gone from being about Winston Churchill to being about Farage, the antithesis of Churchill?
                      …Maybe we ain’t that young anymore

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