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Originally posted by Old GregI admit I'm just a lazy, lying cretinous hypocrite and must be going deaf♕Keep calm & carry on♕ -
Originally posted by WTFH View PostHow has this thread gone from being about Winston Churchill to being about Farage, the antithesis of Churchill?
Are you not happy others are talking about someone whom you introduced to the thread?
You clueless muppet, have a word with yourself.Originally posted by Old GregI admit I'm just a lazy, lying cretinous hypocrite and must be going deaf♕Keep calm & carry on♕Comment
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Originally posted by Bean View Post
Oooh, how right wing can you get?Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.Comment
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Originally posted by DaveB View PostWhy would he need to?
Churchill was saying that under the right conditions the Liberals and Conservatives would accept some greater or lesser degree of reduction in Sovereignty as part of a wider European community.
His view was that National Sovereignty was not inviolate but was open to change depending on the circumstances.
Unfortunately that doesn't really chime with the Leaver rhetoric when invoking his spirit in the name of Brexit.
I CBA to find the posts/threads, but that (it was always ours) is the usual reply when any leave voter airs 'Sovereignty' as a reason for their voting leave.
Winston is obviously saying we would lose some.
Square that circle, remainers...Originally posted by Old GregI admit I'm just a lazy, lying cretinous hypocrite and must be going deaf♕Keep calm & carry on♕Comment
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Originally posted by Bean View Post
That's a link to The Brexit Party, founded a few months ago, not Nigel Farage's idea of Brexit for the last 25 years.
Perhaps you can provide the answer to the question, rather than a deflection to something completely irrelevant.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by Bean View PostYou mentioned him first in this thread, post #18.
Are you not happy others are talking about someone whom you introduced to the thread?
You mentioned Old Greg in your first post on this thread, that doesn't mean the thread is all about him, eh?…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostDon't you like answering simple questions, or do you only function by misquoting others?Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.Comment
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Originally posted by Bean View PostThe remainer claim, is that Sovereignty was always ours.
I CBA to find the posts/threads, but that (it was always ours) is the usual reply when any leave voter airs 'Sovereignty' as a reason for their voting leave.
Winston is obviously saying we would lose some.
Square that circle, remainers...
When we join with other nations however tightly or loosely coupled (whether by treaty, FTA, whatever) we pool and/or lose some of our sovereignty.
The key is that, as a sovereign nation, we can always withdraw from those agreements. Nobody else can force us to remain tied to them. Withdrawal and the consequent regathering of “sovereignty” doesn’t come without consequences though, we will have lost the gains (in trade, in pooled power, etc) that we were trading or pooling that part of our sovereignty for.
A simple example would be, in a proposed FTA with the USA we would come to an agreement on certain standards. We cannot then change those standards unilaterally, we need to agree. We have lost that sovereign power to change a standard on our own. We can always choose as a sovereign nation to withdraw from the FTA, but we lose any benefits of that FTA in the process.
A caveat is for certain agreements that we cannot withdraw from, usually international treaties. We can’t withdraw from conventions on international war crimes, for example, and claim that those conventions no longer apply to us.Comment
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Originally posted by Zigenare View PostMore butter than a ******* dairy.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostAre you a Millwall player?Old Greg - In search of acceptance since Mar 2007. Hoping each leap will be his last.Comment
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