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    Default Tory party members happy to destroy the UK to get Brexit

    It looks like Tory party members would be happy to see the destruction of the UK and its economy if they get Brexit

    Tory party members happy to destroy the UK to get Brexit

    The one thing they don't want however is a Corbyn government.

    Guess what they'll probably end up with.

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    Vote Rory get Nigel

    Vote Boris get Jeremy

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    Quote Originally Posted by unixman View Post
    Vote Rory get Nigel

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    I don't see Nigel getting in No.10, sure Brexit party got the most votes on the EU elections, but it's a bit different then GE, even then 31% doesn't get him majority to form a government and he will be hard pressed finding coalition partner. More likely outcome is resurgence of LibDem taking the majority of Remain vote and a LibDem/SNP pro-remain coalition, that is if Brexit doesn't happen before GE

    Neither the Tories, nor Labor have a chance at majority government any time soon. Too much of the "hard brexit" and "hard remain" votes are siphoned to Brexit party and LibDems

    If Brexit actually happens before the next GE (especially no-deal Brexit) it will be the end of the UK. Scotish indie2 and turmoils in NI will be the end of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    It looks like Tory party members would be happy to see the destruction of the UK and its economy if they get Brexit

    Tory party members happy to destroy the UK to get Brexit

    The one thing they don't want however is a Corbyn government.

    Guess what they'll probably end up with.

    As we've said many times on here .... Brexit has become a religion. It's supporters are fanatics. Let's be grateful they are too old to carry a rucksack
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whorty View Post
    As we've said many times on here .... Brexit has become a religion. It's supporters are fanatics. Let's be grateful they are too old to carry a rucksack
    Some people just want to watch the world burn. Unfortunately, they’re in the majority of Tory members...


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    Quote Originally Posted by sal View Post
    I don't see Nigel getting in No.10, sure Brexit party got the most votes on the EU elections, but it's a bit different then GE, even then 31% doesn't get him majority to form a government and he will be hard pressed finding coalition partner. More likely outcome is resurgence of LibDem taking the majority of Remain vote and a LibDem/SNP pro-remain coalition, that is if Brexit doesn't happen before GE

    Neither the Tories, nor Labor have a chance at majority government any time soon. Too much of the "hard brexit" and "hard remain" votes are siphoned to Brexit party and LibDems

    If Brexit actually happens before the next GE (especially no-deal Brexit) it will be the end of the UK. Scotish indie2 and turmoils in NI will be the end of it.
    "it will be the end of the UK"

    there was a time you know, when the UK wasn't a member of the EU. Way back then, a 22 year old could afford a mortgage to buy a reasonable property based entirely on their own salary and have only 20 years to repay. A deposit of 10% was required and 2.5 times the major income provider's salary could be borrowed. How many young people would be happy to be in this position now? It is my contention that the essentials of living were cheaper in relation to incomes than they are now.

    Many UK manufactured goods, and they are few and far between now, were considerably cheaper than EU manufactured goods. Yes, our consumer goods are cheaper in relation to incomes than they were, but in the early 1960's a Jaguar MK2 was cheaper than some run of the mill Renault cars. Lesser UK made cars were considerably cheaper than EU offerings.

    Many more jobs were secure for much longer than they are today. Ford employed thousands in the UK and they built UK home market cars here in the UK, which they don't do now. Many will claim that our cars were inferior quality to EU built examples, but I've always contended that price will always be the major factor in sales volumes. Look at the success of Dacia cars. I wouldn't say they come up to the quality levels of equivalent UK built cars, but nevertheless, they are selling like hot cakes because they are so cheap. I can't ever see us returning entirely to those days now, but there are surely many who are hoping we might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohntheBike View Post
    "it will be the end of the UK"

    there was a time you know, when the UK wasn't a member of the EU. Way back then, a 22 year old could afford a mortgage to buy a reasonable property based entirely on their own salary and have only 20 years to repay. A deposit of 10% was required and 2.5 times the major income provider's salary could be borrowed. How many young people would be happy to be in this position now? It is my contention that the essentials of living were cheaper in relation to incomes than they are now.
    There's no contention about it, it was cheaper. There were council houses, most rented properties weren't privately owned. Going to university didn't require a loan, in fact you were given a grant. Kids got free school meals. etc. The EU didn't change any of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohntheBike View Post
    Many UK manufactured goods, and they are few and far between now, were considerably cheaper than EU manufactured goods. Yes, our consumer goods are cheaper in relation to incomes than they were, but in the early 1960's a Jaguar MK2 was cheaper than some run of the mill Renault cars. Lesser UK made cars were considerably cheaper than EU offerings.

    Many more jobs were secure for much longer than they are today. Ford employed thousands in the UK and they built UK home market cars here in the UK, which they don't do now. Many will claim that our cars were inferior quality to EU built examples, but I've always contended that price will always be the major factor in sales volumes. Look at the success of Dacia cars. I wouldn't say they come up to the quality levels of equivalent UK built cars, but nevertheless, they are selling like hot cakes because they are so cheap. I can't ever see us returning entirely to those days now, but there are surely many who are hoping we might.
    Companies were sold to shareholders. Shareholders demand profits and generally aren't interested in money being invested in "manufacturing", so sell off and outsource to the cheapest option to keep the shareholders happy and to make sure the funds are there for the pension pots of the board.

    Perhaps the pining is for Victorian days, when women didn't vote, etc. Or maybe it's the idea of harking back to "The War" by people who didn't fight in it and show more support for the axis powers than for the allies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohntheBike View Post
    "it will be the end of the UK"

    there was a time you know, when the UK wasn't a member of the EU. Way back then, a 22 year old could afford a mortgage to buy a reasonable property based entirely on their own salary and have only 20 years to repay. A deposit of 10% was required and 2.5 times the major income provider's salary could be borrowed. How many young people would be happy to be in this position now? It is my contention that the essentials of living were cheaper in relation to incomes than they are now.

    Many UK manufactured goods, and they are few and far between now, were considerably cheaper than EU manufactured goods. Yes, our consumer goods are cheaper in relation to incomes than they were, but in the early 1960's a Jaguar MK2 was cheaper than some run of the mill Renault cars. Lesser UK made cars were considerably cheaper than EU offerings.

    Many more jobs were secure for much longer than they are today. Ford employed thousands in the UK and they built UK home market cars here in the UK, which they don't do now. Many will claim that our cars were inferior quality to EU built examples, but I've always contended that price will always be the major factor in sales volumes. Look at the success of Dacia cars. I wouldn't say they come up to the quality levels of equivalent UK built cars, but nevertheless, they are selling like hot cakes because they are so cheap. I can't ever see us returning entirely to those days now, but there are surely many who are hoping we might.
    Aye life in the UK before the EU, look forward to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlasterBates View Post
    Aye life in the UK before the EU, look forward to it.

    yes, and there are probably many in the same position now. So the EU hasn't been of any benefit to them.

    It has been said that if all the World's wealth were equally distributed between everyone alive at a certain time, then after a year, there would still be billionaires and sickeningly poor people. This is aptly demonstrated by those who have won the lottery, or similar, and are virtually bankrupt some years later.

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