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    Then what? We DO still get parliamentary prorogation but there's seemingly time to get some things through. However would the EU accept an extension if asked?
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    The EU will accept extension, just like they did in March, especially if the no-deal is taken off the table. It's a win-win for them, either the May's deal or Remain. Anyone who think there might be some better deal that Labour could negotiate is delusional. Boris got that one right - if no-deal comes off the table it's game over for the negotiations, there will be ZERO incentive for the EU to make concessions.

    I doubt that even JC and his cohorts believe they can get better deal, they are only using it as a carrot to attract votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sal View Post
    The EU will accept extension, just like they did in March, especially if the no-deal is taken off the table. It's a win-win for them, either the May's deal or Remain. Anyone who think there might be some better deal that Labour could negotiate is delusional. Boris got that one right - if no-deal comes off the table it's game over for the negotiations, there will be ZERO incentive for the EU to make concessions.

    I doubt that even JC and his cohorts believe they can get better deal, they are only using it as a carrot to attract votes.
    Agreed, but even with no deal on the table EU won't make any (relevant) concessions, so not much difference, really...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingSheep View Post
    Agreed, but even with no deal on the table EU won't make any (relevant) concessions, so not much difference, really...
    Likely true, but there is always the sliver of hope and as long there is even a slight chance fro a better deal it can be exploited politically.

    EU definitely don't want no-deal Brexit. The only think they want less, is to give the UK favourable leave terms/deal that can be exploited by the populist movements in other EU countries.

    Removing no-deal and leaving the only 2 options May's deal or remain, removes the uncertainty for the EU, both the governments and the business there can easily plan for the 2 rather similar scenarios, so there is no rush for them to get it over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d000hg View Post
    However would the EU accept an extension if asked?
    Wouldn't a further EU extension need unanimous approval from all 27 countries? If so then all Boris has to do is veto the proposal!
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    An extension is supposed to only be allowed for reasons of material change, not just to spin it out.
    Extending because an election is taking place would surely be granted, an extension because the MPs outmanoeuvred the PM who remains in power... Boris would love if they refuse, right?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OwlHoot View Post
    Wouldn't a further EU extension need unanimous approval from all 27 countries? If so then all Boris has to do is veto the proposal!
    That would be funny... but who would decide the British vote in that matter? The PM? Dont think so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingSheep View Post
    That would be funny... but who would decide the British vote in that matter? The PM? Dont think so...
    My thoughts too. If extension offers, and parliament insists extension is taken, then Boris has to take it?

    Imagine if he said no though! Is there still the death penalty for treason?

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    No, otherwise we wouldn't be in this mess

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    Quote Originally Posted by CryingSheep View Post
    Agreed, but even with no deal on the table EU won't make any (relevant) concessions, so not much difference, really...
    They have already made a significant concession to the UK by extending the backstop to the whole of the UK.

    The EU is expecting the UK to probably leave with no deal and then quickly come back to negotiate a Canada + agreement. They will then be told, 'Certainly, as soon as you have signed up to the backstop, the £49 billion settlement and the rights of EU citizens. Until then, bugger ye off and best of luck.'
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