Supreme Court hearing

[scooterscot]

I feel sure the EU would want their divorce settlement.

It's anything but. Projects the UK committed to and then runs off leaving them high and dry and yet they'd still expect to access to the likes of the Galileo satellites. Perhaps the EU can arrange a PAYG agreement.

Have been involved with the ITER project for a wee while now, huge number of British scientists on-site sheeting it about their future. You'll see nothing on the news about the matter however. Total Tory f£$K fest.

In case you've no idea what I'm taking about:

[Mordac]

It's anything but. Projects the UK committed to and then runs off leaving them high and dry and yet they'd still expect to access to the likes of the Galileo satellites. Perhaps the EU can arrange a PAYG agreement.

Have been involved with the ITER project for a wee while now, huge number of British scientists on-site sheeting it about their future. You'll see nothing on the news about the matter however. Total Tory f£$K fest.

In case you've no idea what I'm taking about:

ITER is a shocking waste of money (already massively over-budget) and it almost certainly won't work (as intended). It's one of the (many) reasons UK taxpayers should be screaming to get out of the EU. There are too many crack-pots reading too much science fiction, and too many gullible politicians looking to make a name for themselves.

[DaveB]

ITER is a shocking waste of money (already massively over-budget) and it almost certainly won't work (as intended). It's one of the (many) reasons UK taxpayers should be screaming to get out of the EU. There are too many crack-pots reading too much science fiction, and too many gullible politicians looking to make a name for themselves.

Except it's not an EU project. It's based in France but involves 35 different countries including Japan, China, India, Korea, Russia and the US as well as the EU.

WHO IS PARTICIPATING?
(Click to view larger version...)The ITER Project is a globe-spanning collaboration of 35 nations.

The ITER Members China, the European Union, India, Japan, Korea, Russia and the United States have combined resources to conquer one of the greatest frontiers in science—reproducing on Earth the boundless energy that fuels the Sun and the stars.

As signatories to the ITER Agreement, concluded in 2006, the seven Members will share of the cost of project construction, operation and decommissioning. They'll also share the experimental results and any intellectual property generated by the operation phase.

Europe is responsible for the largest portion of construction costs (45.6 percent); the remainder is shared equally by China, India, Japan, Korea, Russia and the US (9.1 percent each). The Members deliver very little monetary contribution to the project: instead, nine-tenths of contributions will be delivered to the ITER Organization in the form of completed components, systems or buildings.

Taken together, the ITER Members represent three continents, over 40 languages, half of the world's population and 85 percent of global gross domestic product. In the offices of the ITER Organization and those of the seven Domestic Agencies, in laboratories and in industry, literally thousands of people are working toward the success of ITER.

The ITER Organization has also concluded non-Member technical cooperation agreements with Australia (through the Australian Nuclear Science and Technology Organisation, ANSTO, in 2016) and Kazakhstan (through Kazakhstan's National Nuclear Centre in 2017); a Memorandum of Understanding with Canada agreeing to explore the possibility of future cooperation and a Cooperation Agreement with the Thailand Institute of Nuclear Technology (2018); as well as over 60 Cooperation Agreements with international organizations, national laboratories, universities and schools.

The EU is funding 45% of the project, the rest comes form the other participating countries. With all 28 EU Countries involved that means we a re paying just 5.5% of the costs against 9.1% each for the non-EU partners. It's actually cheaper for us to be involved as part of the EU than not. Add to that the bulk of the support is not in the form of financial contributions but components, systems, and buildings, which generate jobs in the participating countries and drive economic services in the process.

[Zigenare]

Except it's not an EU project. It's based in France but involves 35 different countries including Japan, China, India, Korea, Russia and the US as well as the EU.



The EU is funding 45% of the project, the rest comes form the other participating countries. With all 28 EU Countries involved that means we a re paying just 5.5% of the costs against 9.1% each for the non-EU partners. It's actually cheaper for us to be involved as part of the EU than not. Add to that the bulk of the support is not in the form of financial contributions but components, systems, and buildings, which generate jobs in the participating countries and drive economic services in the process.

So Scooty is incorrect, again.

[sasguru]

Would it though? Wouldn't we want a trade deal with the EU? It's not hard to guess what preconditions the EU would set for any trade deal ie. the bulk of the "turd".

Is a clean-break Brexit possible? - BBC News

Indeed. That's what Brexit cretins asking for a "clean break" don't get. What a monumental waste of time, energy and money.

[DaveB]

So Scooty is incorrect, again.

I was quoting Mordy. I'm sure ITER would cope if we did pull out, but it will seriously **** up our chances of benefitting from it and screw over a good number of Brits working on it and British businesses involved in supplying equipment etc. for it.

[Zigenare]

I was quoting Mordy. I'm sure ITER would cope if we did pull out, but it will seriously **** up our chances of benefitting from it and screw over a good number of Brits working on it and British businesses involved in supplying equipment etc. for it.

But there's nothing preventing the UK from continuing to contribute as it's not an EU members only gravy train.

[DaveB]

But there's nothing preventing the UK from continuing to contribute as it's not an EU members only gravy train.

Yep, we can. Assuming the consortium accepts the request to take part, and we cough up the requisite contributions which will be greater than if we had remained part of the EU in line with the other Non-EU members.

[darmstadt]

But there's nothing preventing the UK from contributing more than previously as it's not an EU members only gravy train.

FTFY

[Zigenare]

Yep, we can. Assuming the consortium accepts the request to take part, and we cough up the requisite contributions which will be greater than if we had remained part of the EU in line with the other Non-EU members.

It's only money, **** it!