Scotland's future

[JohntheBike]

Well, if Scotland don't want a hard border, then England will have to do it.
If Scotland don't want to restrict the movement of goods then England will have to do it.
And England will have to pay for it as well.

OK, but all I'm saying is that none of these "high level" issues are being expounded. All we are hearing is "we want a referendum to decide our future" with no details of how that future might appear if that referendum decided to leave the UK. Much like the referendum on EU membership, I guess many would claim!

[WTFH]

OK, but all I'm saying is that none of these "high level" issues are being expounded. All we are hearing is "we want a referendum to decide our future" with no details of how that future might appear if that referendum decided to leave the UK. Much like the referendum on EU membership, I guess many would claim!

And 3.5 years after the EU referendum, the people behind the idea of the UK leaving have still not come up with any details as to how that future might appear, apart from in over-simplistic vision statements.
There's no flesh on the bones of the concept of the UK leaving. Businesses that work across multiple countries are unsure of what they might need to do, or how much it will cost them. The non-business literate think it's a simple job to change how you trade and transport goods, and want to bury their heads in the Wail.

But hey, Jam & Jerusalem.

[BrilloPad]

And 3.5 years after the EU referendum, the people behind the idea of the UK leaving have still not come up with any details as to how that future might appear, apart from in over-simplistic vision statements.
There's no flesh on the bones of the concept of the UK leaving. Businesses that work across multiple countries are unsure of what they might need to do, or how much it will cost them. The non-business literate think it's a simple job to change how you trade and transport goods, and want to bury their heads in the Wail.

But hey, Jam & Jerusalem.

And despite that Boris will claim on Jan 31 that we have left. Despite it being nothing of the sort.

Maybe, like the Irish border, at the last minute Boris will agree to whatever the EU originally proposed?

The only way to actually leave is to start all over again....

[meridian]

And despite that Boris will claim on Jan 31 that we have left. Despite it being nothing of the sort.

Maybe, like the Irish border, at the last minute Boris will agree to whatever the EU originally proposed?

The only way to actually leave is to start all over again....

On January 31, assuming the WA is passed by Parliament, the U.K. will have left the EU. This is a simple matter of law.

Whether or not the U.K. is ready to leave, and whether or not the future relationship with the EU meets the needs of the U.K., are separate matters.

[JohntheBike]

And 3.5 years after the EU referendum, the people behind the idea of the UK leaving have still not come up with any details as to how that future might appear, apart from in over-simplistic vision statements.
There's no flesh on the bones of the concept of the UK leaving. Businesses that work across multiple countries are unsure of what they might need to do, or how much it will cost them. The non-business literate think it's a simple job to change how you trade and transport goods, and want to bury their heads in the Wail.

But hey, Jam & Jerusalem.

which is precisely why at least some of these details regarding possible independence for Scotland should be thoroughly discussed before Mrs Krankie postulates any more.

However, the situation, in my opinion, is substantially different from EU membership. Scotland is part of a sovereign country and not part of an organisation with separate sovereign countries.

[WTFH]

On January 31, assuming the WA is passed by Parliament, the U.K. will have left the EU. This is a simple matter of law.

Whether or not the U.K. is ready to leave, and whether or not the future relationship with the EU meets the needs of the U.K., are separate matters.

And therein lies the problem. When the UK "leaves", what are businesses supposed to do in terms of moving goods in and out of the UK to EU destinations?
Will someone be removing the network connections for the police, Border Force, etc from the EU systems? Is there a plan, or even a project in place, to work out how all the integrated systems will be separated out?

Never mind the politicians and their media being able to say joyfully that "we" have left.

[JohntheBike]

And therein lies the problem. When the UK "leaves", what are businesses supposed to do in terms of moving goods in and out of the UK to EU destinations?
Will someone be removing the network connections for the police, Border Force, etc from the EU systems? Is there a plan, or even a project in place, to work out how all the integrated systems will be separated out?

Never mind the politicians and their media being able to say joyfully that "we" have left.

don't forget that immediately after we joined the EU, not all the processes were in place. It took some years before the mechanisms kicked in and so it will take some years for the mechanisms to kick out.

[WTFH]

don't forget that immediately after we joined the EU, not all the processes were in place. It took some years before the mechanisms kicked in and so it will take some years for the mechanisms to kick out.

Except our leader has told us we will be totally done by 31st December 2020, the transition will not be allowed to take longer than that.
Also, perhaps you forget how much was computerised when we joined the EU and how little joined-up organising was done in the early days - for businesses as well as police etc.
There's a bit of a difference between the S/370 Model 158 that you see as cutting edge (Max 4MB main memory, AFAIK), where the information from one site was telexed to another site to be keyed in again, and modern computing.

[sasguru]

And therein lies the problem. When the UK "leaves", what are businesses supposed to do in terms of moving goods in and out of the UK to EU destinations?

Forget goods, manufacturing is only < 20% of the economy and the WA covers that in concept if not in detail (of course it would because Boris's surrender WA is good for the EU and they are most worried about goods (e.g. German cars) and the linked supply chains (e.g. wings for Airbus)).
The WA says nothing whatsoever, in concept or detail, of the 80% of the UK economy that is services.

[TestMangler]

which is precisely why at least some of these details regarding possible independence for Scotland should be thoroughly discussed before Mrs Krankie postulates any more.

However, the situation, in my opinion, is substantially different from EU membership. Scotland is part of a sovereign country and not part of an organisation with separate sovereign countries.

You, sir, are a f***in' idiot.