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QDOS Contract failed CEST online test - where did I go wrong?
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Originally posted by LondonManc View PostSo I'm correct in saying that the OP would have to incur costs before they are paid by the client then?
I think the point of those questions is to help demonstrate financial risk, e.g. shelling out on a month's worth of accommodation and travel only to find out you don't get paid because they've used you for a month's free consultancy and good luck getting the money off them
Wooah hold on a minute. Check the wording.
Will you have to fund any other costs before your client pays you?
Worker’s financial risk
This can include non-commuting travel or accommodation, or external business premises for this work only.Comment
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Originally posted by Manic View PostWooah hold on a minute. Check the wording.
Will you have to fund any other costs before your client pays you?
Worker’s financial risk
This can include non-commuting travel or accommodation, or external business premises for this work only.
"Non-commuting" is dependent on whether or not the gig is inside or outside IR35: inside means it is commuting, outside means it isn't...
What I think they are asking is "Have you add to pony up for materials, (in the widest sense) or equipment or tools or premises or relocation costs specifically to undertake this particular engagement". Since most of us already have working resources, the answer is probably no, but if you have to buy a particular toolset such as a specific compiler or something, then the answer would be yes. Where that leads the CEST decision is a whole other question...
However I still would argue that out here in the real world and not HMRC's Neverneverland that any operating business will have a contingency for such overhead costs and will aim to recover them from their fees. As such they are not intrinsic to one engagement but rather as a cost of doing business. Obviously that is my interpretation, others may well treat each gig as a separate financial transaction in its entirety.Blog? What blog...?Comment
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I just went through the test again but changed the substitution answer to "Client will accept the substitute if suitably qualified etc." and it passed.
Why you are getting this result
Your answers told us:
your client has accepted, or would accept, a substitute
you or your business will have to fund costs before your client pays you
This suggests you are working on a business to business basis.
Thanks for the help and advice all.Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostBeautifully inexact as ever...
"Non-commuting" is dependent on whether or not the gig is inside or outside IR35: inside means it is commuting, outside means it isn't...
What I think they are asking is "Have you add to pony up for materials, (in the widest sense) or equipment or tools or premises or relocation costs specifically to undertake this particular engagement". Since most of us already have working resources, the answer is probably no, but if you have to buy a particular toolset such as a specific compiler or something, then the answer would be yes. Where that leads the CEST decision is a whole other question...
However I still would argue that out here in the real world and not HMRC's Neverneverland that any operating business will have a contingency for such overhead costs and will aim to recover them from their fees. As such they are not intrinsic to one engagement but rather as a cost of doing business. Obviously that is my interpretation, others may well treat each gig as a separate financial transaction in its entirety.Comment
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Originally posted by bigrob View PostI just went through the test again but changed the substitution answer to "Client will accept the substitute if suitably qualified etc." and it passed.
Why you are getting this result
Your answers told us:
your client has accepted, or would accept, a substitute
you or your business will have to fund costs before your client pays you
This suggests you are working on a business to business basis.
Thanks for the help and advice all.Blog? What blog...?Comment
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Originally posted by malvolio View PostGood news and well done. Others take note...Originally posted by bigrob View PostI just went through the test again but changed the substitution answer to "Client will accept the substitute if suitably qualified etc." and it passed.
Why you are getting this result
Your answers told us:
your client has accepted, or would accept, a substitute
you or your business will have to fund costs before your client pays you
This suggests you are working on a business to business basis.
Thanks for the help and advice all.Comment
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All well and good when on boarding you. I wonder what they would really say when you pull it.
Do they really understand what is involved and do you. How do you think providing a substitute works. Might sound daft but all bet a vast majority of contractors don't get it.'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by Manic View PostAssuming client agrees to the unfettered right of substitution of course.Blog? What blog...?Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostAll well and good when on boarding you. I wonder what they would really say when you pull it.
Do they really understand what is involved and do you. How do you think providing a substitute works. Might sound daft but all bet a vast majority of contractors don't get it.Blog? What blog...?Comment
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