Any clue how many of your fellow contractors are going inside?

[fatJock]

Why do you need to tweak working practices (or even have them) if the client has SDS you as outside (and you have this in writing)?

I didn't - hence my comments about being outside from the start even when HR were nervous

Others did to put them outside i.e. customer made working practices outside friendly.

[PCTNN]

I thought all my colleagues contractors (10-15 people) were going stay at current client and accept being rolled to inside ir35 BUT turns out 3 are now leaving: 2 of them have been here for less than 12 months and judging by their linkedin profile they never worked at the same client for longer than 18 months, so they are legit contractors. The other one that's leaving has been staying at current client for almost 5 years, but at least is being smarter than the other permietractors who are staying.

[ChimpMaster]

I thought all my colleagues contractors (10-15 people) were going stay at current client and accept being rolled to inside ir35 BUT turns out 3 are now leaving: 2 of them have been here for less than 12 months and judging by their linkedin profile they never worked at the same client for longer than 18 months, so they are legit contractors. The other one that's leaving has been staying at current client for almost 5 years, but at least is being smarter than the other permietractors who are staying.

Wow you've solved it. So anyone who contracts at a client for less than 18 months is a genuine contractor and is safe from HMRC forever. And anyone that has contracted at a client for many years is a tax evader, a 'permietractor', because they have managed to secure many years of work from that client - what awful business sense they have had!

Best write to HMRC to let them know what a genius you are. HMRC will no doubt want to update their rulebook ASAP, not least to add a legal definition for 'permietractor'. Maybe throw in 'evosion' just for good measure while you're there.

[PCTNN]

Wow you've solved it. So anyone who contracts at a client for less than 18 months is a genuine contractor and is safe from HMRC forever. And anyone that has contracted at a client for many years is a tax evader, a 'permietractor', because they have managed to secure many years of work from that client - what awful business sense they have had!

Best write to HMRC to let them know what a genius you are. HMRC will no doubt want to update their rulebook ASAP, not least to add a legal definition for 'permietractor'. Maybe throw in 'evosion' just for good measure while you're there.

must have struck the permietractor nerve, I see.

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[NotAllThere]

must have struck the permietractor nerve, I see.

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Not really. It's just not terribly smart comment to have made and could easily merit sarcasm. Not was the bit that is now snipped. Anyway. If you want to take it further, start a post in General.

[SouWester]

Beh. 3.5 years with current client. Yes yes I know but usual is 18-24 months, bad timing to go long, to put it mildly... Blanket ban communicated through agency, contract end end of March. I assume this means I won't actually get a determination, not sure if this is good or bad?

I want to stay, they want me to stay, offer me permie, offer me inside... I would take either because I like it there but... I am having trouble accepting the increased risk of an investigation. That's a £40k liability - years of hard graft to pay off that chunky lump. I would feel like a right plonker if the hammer came down, especially when all I had to do was move (and I have been there too long anyway and am becoming intitutionalised).

Leaving decreases risk for sure. My contract for the last year is pretty watertight (outside), but before that... wasn't.

Still not sure. If the legislation could be amended to prevent retrospective... but I can't see how this would be feasible in reality. And who trusts HMRC anyway? Loan Charge anyone?

Work in telco. Suspect they will change their approach to use NTT/Wipro/Infosys/Accenture bods instead. Not sure this is the right approach for the business but... it ain't my business so...

Some other contractors have gone permie already, but no idea what most are planning as I am never in the office. I will ask and report back.

[northernladuk]

40k liability for 3.5 years reto tax? And the rest. JLJ partial loss meant he was liable for 4 years and it cost him 140k.

[SouWester]

40k liability for 3.5 years reto tax? And the rest. JLJ partial loss meant he was liable for 4 years and it cost him 140k.

Holy moly!

Awww geez...

Err, is JLJ a person? And, what's a partial loss?

And, I'm gonna take a stab and suggest you're a Johnny Cash fan northernladuk?

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[northernladuk]

Holy moly!

Awww geez...

Err, is JLJ a person? And, what's a partial loss?

And, I'm gonna take a stab and suggest you're a Johnny Cash fan northernladuk?

Ahhh. My bad. 141k was for the 7 years but he had it reduced to four. Bugger. Sorry. Need to find the other thread and correct thst as well.

New IR35 ruling: Partial victory for JLJ Services v HMRC