Possible Inside job

**northernladuk** · 31 March 2020, 11:14

https://www.ipse.co.uk/uploads/asset...90df4e002c.pdf

I am an umbrella company. What do I do?
The Conduct Regulations also apply to umbrellas. Although it is possible to opt-out of the regulations as an umbrella, the optout was designed with individual limited company contractors in mind and not those who are employees of an umbrella.
For an opt-out to be effective, any declaration of intent to opt-out must be signed by both you as the “work seeker” and a
representative of the umbrella company. IPSE recommends seeking advice through our tax and contracts helpline for further
information

**SteelyDan** · 31 March 2020, 11:25

Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

https://www.ipse.co.uk/uploads/asset...90df4e002c.pdf

So, if I don't use my Ltd, which I can't see the point in doing, and will therefore effectively be an employee of the umbrella for the duration, then it doesn't really apply?
That's what I'm reading from the attachment. Yes?
Apologies but I'm a bit out of touch with this at the moment.

**northernladuk** · 31 March 2020, 11:41

Another thread on it here.

https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...-umbrella.html

Personally I haven't seen the Opt in/out status make one iota of difference in any situation that it is supposed to have helped so I'd probably take the path of least resistance to be honest.

There is also the argument that most of them are invalid anyway due to people not understanding the 'introduced to' statement. If you've already spoken to on been interviewed by the client the decision is made by default surely.

**SteelyDan** · 31 March 2020, 11:45

Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

Another thread on it here.

https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...-umbrella.html

Personally I haven't seen the Opt in/out status make one iota of difference in any situation that it is supposed to have helped so I'd probably take the path of least resistance to be honest.

There is also the argument that most of them are invalid anyway due to people not understanding the 'introduced to' statement. If you've already spoken to on been interviewed by the client the decision is made by default surely.

Thanks, not read your other link yet, but from that doc, it says the opt out was designed with individual limited company contractors in mind and not those who are employees of an umbrella

So as stated, I'll be effectively employed by the Umbrella (whichever one I elect to go with - if we get that far) then I think I'll advise I'm opting out.

PS. Just read that link, it's all dated 2014.

**SteelyDan** · 31 March 2020, 11:58

They mentioned a couple of Umbrellas, one of which is Nasa (nasa group)..anyone know anything about them?
This is all early days yet based on a call this morning, so am just trying to do some background work...which could end up fruitless, of course.

**ladymuck** · 31 March 2020, 12:05

Does the agency have a PSL or other requirement restricting which umbrella you can use? If not, give Lucy @ Clarity a call

**SteelyDan** · 31 March 2020, 12:15

Originally posted by ladymuck View Post

Does the agency have a PSL or other requirement restricting which umbrella you can use? If not, give Lucy @ Clarity a call

Thanks LM, yes I've clocked Lucy at Clarity before when I was last thinking of an Umbrella/Inside role, ...that didn't come off. I think I just need to be conscious of fees, payment speeds etc. The role is with a pub sec org, but I don't think, for this role there's any issue re; being on a PSL, or not. Agency have suggested 3, but asked me if I have an alternative option.

**northernladuk** · 31 March 2020, 12:21

Originally posted by SteelyDan View Post

Thanks LM, yes I've clocked Lucy at Clarity before when I was last thinking of an Umbrella/Inside role, ...that didn't come off. I think I just need to be conscious of fees, payment speeds etc. The role is with a pub sec org, but I don't think, for this role there's any issue re; being on a PSL, or not. Agency have suggested 3, but asked me if I have an alternative option.

I went with Lucy via a public sector gig where agency said exactly the same thing. No issues onboarding or anything.

Possible Inside job