How can we fight back against Infosys, TCS and other Indian consultancies?

[ChimpMaster]

I'd say there are plenty of UK consultancies heavily recruiting grads. Pay 'em cheap, get them on client site and charge a lot more...

That's always happened. I was one such low-paid, charged-out-high grad in 1996/7/8/9

[mrdonuts]

Ah so you're not being priced out of the market.

make your mind up.

If you were to lobby your MP, you'll send a confused message that you're being priced out of the market by consultants who are more expensive.

clearly you are a stooge for these people you are certainly not a contractor with any useful insight,let me spell it out for you,

• the onshore rates are more expensive,
• the offshore rates are significantly less,

what they will shortly be able to do is bring the offshore onshore in unlimited quantities at £20k pa

destroying both the permanent and contract market in IT.

Take ten minutes to think that through, and consider the chilling effect it will have on the lives of existing UK citizens

[The Tartan Cottage]

clearly you are a stooge for these people you are certainly not a contractor with any useful insight,let me spell it out for you,

• the onshore rates are more expensive,
• the offshore rates are significantly less,

what they will shortly be able to do is bring the offshore onshore in unlimited quantities at £20k pa

destroying both the permanent and contract market in IT.

Take ten minutes to think that through, and consider the chilling effect it will have on the lives of existing UK citizens

Well, quite. There was an interesting article in the Telegraph today warning people not to get too comfortable with WFH because companies are going to realise that they can employ people from anywhere in the world for a much lower wage. And We’re not just talking IT staff here.

[JamesBrown11]

Well, quite. There was an interesting article in the Telegraph today warning people not to get too comfortable with WFH because companies are going to realise that they can employ people from anywhere in the world for a much lower wage. And We’re not just talking IT staff here.

Exactly. Been saying for months that WFH is more of a threat than privilege. Any job that's not hands-on can be outsourced if WFH becomes the new normal. InfoSys, TCS etc will be more than happy to undercut those UK workers with hastily trained "experts" from India regardless of the industry.

[JamesBrown11]

Anyone knows how money flows from the UK buyer, through InfoSys/TCS/Wipro to the worker (both onshore and offshore)? Would be great to have a detailed model/breakdown/funnel to better understand the enemy

[mrdonuts]

Well, quite. There was an interesting article in the Telegraph today warning people not to get too comfortable with WFH because companies are going to realise that they can employ people from anywhere in the world for a much lower wage. And We’re not just talking IT staff here.

and it will happen unless BORIS/cummings get their sh it together

even the hands on jobs will suffer tremendously , hairdressers wont make much styling the hair of the unemployed

there was talk of a robot tax but i think we will actually need an offshore tax to prevent companies going down that route, i can see donald trump implementing that shortly

[Andy2]

Anyone knows how money flows from the UK buyer, through InfoSys/TCS/Wipro to the worker (both onshore and offshore)? Would be great to have a detailed model/breakdown/funnel to better understand the enemy

They charge UK clients £200-£300/day for an onsite resource and probably about half of that for an offshore one ,depending on the experience level of the person.

[webbym]

Good news !!

We won't have to fight them - they will implode due to their own incompetence that everyone has highlighted so far

In need of a software update - Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence | Business | The Economist (paywalled)

Corporate software is becoming easier to use, reducing demand for their services. The lucrative legacy business of running mainframes is evaporating. Helping clients shift to the cloud makes money but not nearly as much. Despite some interesting pilot projects -- such as Tech Mahindra's use of artificial intelligence to tell apart 1,645 Indian languages or Infosys's covid-19 contact-tracing in Rhode Island -- the consultancies have not come up with a killer app, let alone powerful platforms like those of America's big tech firms.

Worse still, multinationals are increasingly reluctant to outsource their IT. Rather than hire the consultants, many are creating subsidiaries in India to do the job in-house -- sucking away both custom and workers from the consultancies. Before the pandemic India hosted more than 1,400 of these so-called "captive centres", employing a total of more than 1m people, according to an analysis by the Ken, an Indian news website; around 70% of them were owned by big American firms. Walmart Labs India, owned by the American supermarket chain, is reportedly on course to double its staff numbers to 7,000 in the next year or two. The popularity of such in-house operations has to do with the changing economics of technology. This once required armies of people, so spreading costs among many clients made sense. With falling prices of hardware and software, and more skilled workers around, a captive centre can pay for itself with just 50 employees, says Peter Bendor Samuel of the Everest Group, a research firm.

[DimPrawn]

Good news !!

We won't have to fight them - they will implode due to their own incompetence that everyone has highlighted so far

In need of a software update - Indian IT consultancies struggle against technological obsolescence | Business | The Economist (paywalled)

Where I work, InfoSys manage all the cloud access, all servers and system support, all databases and all desktops and pretty much everything.

So they control the whole of IT internally. They are like a cancerous growth that metastasized and is killing its host.

[GhostofTarbera]

They charge UK clients £200-£300/day for an onsite resource and probably about half of that for an offshore one ,depending on the experience level of the person.

More like 550 a day blended rate for onshore (I died the budgets)


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