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    But what's involved in ditching contracting and making my humiliating return back to the land of the brown nosers? Honestly even the thought of it is making me feel nauseous. Especially working for another consultancy. That would be like covering my body full of leaches and mosquitoes and screaming out come get your dinner! Either way, it's the stuff or nightmares for me. The kind where you experience going from uni back to Year 6...

    OK. The furlough scheme since has been a wonderful purgatory but with it winding down it'll be all back to savings. Thankfully I have few grand left in my business account to pay a salary. £700 per month isn't exactly living the high life but I could make ends meet by taking up at least partial van residency (Waits for the gasps followed by questions regarding personal hygiene)

    I suppose a game plan here might be to take a perm with a 1 week notice period assuming that exists in my sector. It's mostly 4-6 week notice periods even on probation. Assuming < 1 week notice, is dump and run even a feasible strategy whilst keeping my Ltd open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ApeShape View Post
    But what's involved in ditching contracting and making my humiliating return back to the land of the brown nosers? Honestly even the thought of it is making me feel nauseous. Especially working for another consultancy. That would be like covering my body full of leaches and mosquitoes and screaming out come get your dinner! Either way, it's the stuff or nightmares for me. The kind where you experience going from uni back to Year 6...

    OK. The furlough scheme since has been a wonderful purgatory but with it winding down it'll be all back to savings. Thankfully I have few grand left in my business account to pay a salary. £700 per month isn't exactly living the high life but I could make ends meet by taking up at least partial van residency (Waits for the gasps followed by questions regarding personal hygiene)

    I suppose a game plan here might be to take a perm with a 1 week notice period assuming that exists in my sector. It's mostly 4-6 week notice periods even on probation. Assuming < 1 week notice, is dump and run even a feasible strategy whilst keeping my Ltd open?
    Nothing wrong except people are expecting 600 per day and now talking about 70k perm and thats a steep drop especially after tax

    Most people are hoping things get better and consultancy rates come back but IR35 might have changed everything now

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    Quote Originally Posted by NowPermOutsideUK View Post
    Nothing wrong except people are expecting 600 per day and now talking about 70k perm and thats a steep drop especially after tax
    Except £600 per day is only £600 per day if you have a contract, and £70k is only £70k if it's offered.

    Either hold off for something that might materialise, or negotiate based on what is offered.

    If you've enough in a warchest to turn down work, waiting for better, then do that. If you're not comfortable doing that, then you may need to rethink.
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    Yes it has so try using the Google search method for anything you need to know.

    (keywords) site:contractoruk.com/forums

    And I think you've got a poor attitude to all this. Perm isn't all that bad and it's certainly not humiliating to go back to it. Millions are perm, have great lives and are happy. If you are going to go in to it with that attitude it's not going to work for you.

    Chances of getting perm gig with a week's notice? None.
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    Quote Originally Posted by northernladuk View Post
    And I think you've got a poor attitude to all this. Perm isn't all that bad and it's certainly not humiliating to go back to it. Millions are perm, have great lives and are happy. If you are going to go in to it with that attitude it's not going to work for you.
    Some people might struggle with the perm ideology and they were just getting by as contractors. If it works for the majority of the population I think it is a bad example.
    Majority of the population are functioning idiots.

    Perm life is about control, embracing the ideology and pretending to be happy. It's about being covered in menial talks while pretending to find fulfilment. I often make the comparison of spinning the hamster wheel since a lot of the roles lack purpose and you could even question that what you do serves the world any good. For some it is soul crushing.

    But depends a lot on the place where you end up. They say about prison that, that the most destructive part is not being confined. It is being confined with convicts and what solitude and boredom brings out in them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by northernladuk View Post
    Yes it has so try using the Google search method for anything you need to know.
    A search? What's that...


    And I think you've got a poor attitude to all this. Perm isn't all that bad and it's certainly not humiliating to go back to it. Millions are perm, have great lives and are happy. If you are going to go in to it with that attitude it's not going to work for you.
    Ay? You sure you're not on the permanentuk.com forum? Totally forgetting the day rate earnings here, my experience working as a contractor was simply all-round superior than when I was a lowly, worthless permanent slave (there's some troll bait for you, enjoy )

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    Struggling to fathom what it is you're asking.

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    There are two approaches to going permie.
    1. Recognise you're a small cog and no one cares, and exploit the hell out of the fact that it's really hard to sack anyone. Enjoy your sick leave, paid holidays, training (if you get any), and generally goofing off. It helps if you're very smart and capable and you work in a low achieving company, since you'll get the work you actually need to do within a couple of hours each day, if that. The rest of the time you can enjoy learning how to do the Listener crossword for example.
    2. Only work for a company where you know the directors personally, and have been working with them on and off for a few years, and know that they need you're skills, reward appropriately and they don't treat anyone in the company like drones.

    TL;DR - pick where you work. Not all permie jobs are the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAllThere View Post
    There are two approaches to going permie.
    1. Recognise you're a small cog and no one cares, and exploit the hell out of the fact that it's really hard to sack anyone. Enjoy your sick leave, paid holidays, training (if you get any), and generally goofing off. It helps if you're very smart and capable and you work in a low achieving company, since you'll get the work you actually need to do within a couple of hours each day, if that. The rest of the time you can enjoy learning how to do the Listener crossword for example.
    2. Only work for a company where you know the directors personally, and have been working with them on and off for a few years, and know that they need you're skills, reward appropriately and they don't treat anyone in the company like drones.

    TL;DR - pick where you work. Not all permie jobs are the same.
    +1

    I've done both contractor and permie jobs and can't say I've found the culture/enjoyment much different. Accept each for what they are - they both have benefits and downsides and what's right for you now might not be right for you next year, or for someone else now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAllThere View Post
    There are two approaches to going permie.
    1. Recognise you're a small cog and no one cares, and exploit the hell out of the fact that it's really hard to sack anyone. Enjoy your sick leave, paid holidays, training (if you get any), and generally goofing off. It helps if you're very smart and capable and you work in a low achieving company, since you'll get the work you actually need to do within a couple of hours each day, if that. The rest of the time you can enjoy learning how to do the Listener crossword for example.
    2. Only work for a company where you know the directors personally, and have been working with them on and off for a few years, and know that they need you're skills, reward appropriately and they don't treat anyone in the company like drones.

    TL;DR - pick where you work. Not all permie jobs are the same.
    Agreed.

    There are good and bad in permie and contract roles. If you go in with a negative mindset it's a good bet you'll not enjoy it, whether it be perm, a lower-paid contract or whatever.
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