You reap what you sow

[ChicoLondon]

Re: Belief

What is harsh is Satan and his followers deceiving billions of people and leading them into eternal damnation. That is truly harsh.

[ChicoLondon]

Re: Belief

Not so wise

You obviously missed the message of Jesus

John
"13Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends"

In your scenario the priest will not go to hell. He died that someone else will live. That is ultimate act of love. Indeed what Jesus did for us all. John 3:16.

As for the Hitler example God cannot be deceived - was he truly sorry on his death bed? Only God will decide that.

[Lucifer Box]

Re: Belief

What is harsh is Satan and his followers deceiving billions of people and leading them into eternal damnation. That is truly harsh.

But isn't inaction on God's behalf (i.e. not spreading His message more widely or sooner), which effectively abandons billions of people to eternal damnation through no fault of their own, similarly harsh?

Extremely harsh on, say, the Jews, the same God telling them that following the ten commandments and some other strictures will lead to eternal life at His side and then changing His mind later.

[xoggoth]

Re: Belief

I did not know viz was supposed to be spreading god's message. Must be something in Johny Fartpants I missed.

Frankly, there is little sense in any of it. Even if we assume there is a god, trying to figure what his purpose was or what he wants us to do, or even discern which is the true message out of all the noise and false claims is quite impossible. There is simply no point in wasting life trying.

When you are about to pop your clogs, stand on your head and whistle God save the queen, it's as likely to be the true road to salvation as anything else.

PS Explanation of first para. LB changed viz to ie. Not fair.

[Lucifer Box]

Re: Belief

It does seem at face value as though this Christian God is an arbitrary sort of fellow. I mean those Jews who believed what His prophets said must be, quite rightly, a bit hacked off in their eternal torment. Wouldn't it be ironic if He changed His mind again about the route required to gain access to eternal life?

[Lucifer Box]

Re: Belief

PS Explanation of first para. LB changed viz to ie. Not fair.

Like Lucifier, like God I say.

[widgetdance]

Satanist

Never mind protecting satanists et al.
This new law will give the nazis all the amunition they need to harras the Jews and the Muslims forever. It may even allow them to get these religions made illegal.

These two religions clearly state in their religious books that anyone who does not follow their religion may be regarded as non human and should be put to death. (I am paraphrasing, dont be picky).

That means their religions propose religious hatred of any who do not proscribe to their particular doctrine and should therefore be illegal.

Do you believe Nick Griffin and his friends will let this one pass?

[ChicoLondon]

Ignorance is not bliss

Lucifer

You are clearly unaware that Jesus was the fullifllment of the Hebrew Messianic prophecies. I suggest instead of plucking things from the air, you pick up a Bible and start reading it. If you have not got one there are many online. I recommend Bible Gateway

[threaded]

Re: Ignorance is not bliss

Ah the law of unintended consequences.

So true, so true.

[Lucifer Box]

Re: Ignorance is not bliss

You are clearly unaware that Jesus was the fullifllment of the Hebrew Messianic prophecies

Not according to the Jews.

So is it possible for a Jew (or indeed anyone) who lived before the birth of Christ to achieve eternal life?