Good riddance of the week

[meridian]

Shamima Begum: IS teenager to lose UK citizenship - BBC News





You can take the boy out of Holland but..........

Not going to happen, it’s Sajid playing up for the media and the right-wingers.

Legally, he can’t remove citizenship if it renders the person stateless. There are other options available to him, though.

Can the Home Secretary prevent Shamina Begum returning to the UK? - BarristerBlogger

[shaunbhoy]

Legally, he can’t remove citizenship if it renders the person stateless.

She won't be stateless....she just had a child in Syria. Let her claim Syrian citizenship.

That way if IS fortunes recover she'll be handily placed to help them empty the discarded infidel heads out of the wastepaper baskets.Sorted.

[meridian]

She won't be stateless....she just had a child in Syria. Let her claim Syrian citizenship.

That way if IS fortunes recover she'll be handily placed to help them empty the discarded infidel heads out of the wastepaper baskets.Sorted.

Apart from the obvious discrepancy in your first paragraph (if she hasn’t yet claimed Syrian citizenship then, all other things being equal, she will be stateless), there is no functioning government in Syria to offer citizenship.

There’s an argument raging at the moment over whether or not she has Bangladeshi citizenship, but assuming she hasn’t, then the government is playing you - again. Sajid is playing the big man, knowing that when the courts rule against him he can say that he tried and isn’t it time we got rid of that awful human rights legislation....

The fact of the matter is that no matter how distasteful her story is, she has not yet been arrested, and has not yet been charged with a crime. You may be comfortable with a politician having the power to unilaterally revoke citizenship without any recourse, but I’m not. What’s next, remove citizenship from drug mules in Chile? Or expat pensioners in Spain (that would save us paying their pensions)? Where does the line get drawn about who the Home Secretary decides has citizenship or not?

For people that are born here, is citizenship an inalienable right, or something that the Home Secretary can just take away from you without even consulting you?

[vetran]

seems they are saying as a descendant of a Bangladeshi citizen she automatically gets Bangladeshi nationality so not stateless.

If they could prosecute her, sentence her and then deport her it would be more believable.

Does seem a bit slim. I suspect this will run for years making lawyers rich.

[Zigenare]

seems they are saying as a descendant of a Bangladeshi citizen she automatically gets Bangladeshi nationality so not stateless.

If they could prosecute her, sentence her and then deport her it would be more believable.

Does seem a bit slim. I suspect this will run for years making lawyers rich.

The tricky bit is that as the child was born before the Mother had her British citizenship rescinded, the child is British!

[vetran]

The tricky bit is that as the child was born before the Mother had her British citizenship rescinded, the child is British!

nope

Types of British nationality: British citizenship - GOV.UK

[Zigenare]

nope

Types of British nationality: British citizenship - GOV.UK

I sit corrected.

[NotAllThere]

The tricky bit is that as the child was born before the Mother had her British citizenship rescinded, the child is British!

nope

Types of British nationality: British citizenship - GOV.UK

Yep. You need to play the game to the end.

The child is
a) Not born in the UK or qualifying territory
b) Born after Jan 1983 and
c) One of its parents is British citizen "not by descent".

She was born in Britain to British parents, so she is/was a British citizen - i.e. "not by descent" - at the time the baby was born.

You’re a citizen ‘by descent’ if all the following apply:

you were born outside of the UK
one or both of your parents were British citizens at the time of your birth

Therefore the child is British by descent, and in law can come and live and work in the UK.

(My grandson is British by descent - he was born in Switzerland but his dad was born in the UK to British parents).

There may be some wriggle room as the citizenship determination tool only says

You might be a British citizen

In most cases you’ll be a British citizen ‘by descent’. You don’t need to register or naturalise. You can live in the UK and get a British passport.

But my guess is that the weasel wording is to prevent someone using the tool to bolster their claim.


The equivalent Dutch site says that if the father is Dutch, the sprog is Dutch. But he'll also be a British citizen (by descent). While the Netherlands doesn't normally allow dual citizenship, it does when both nationalities are acquired at Birth.

[shaunbhoy]

You may be comfortable with a politician having the power to unilaterally revoke citizenship without any recourse, but I’m not.

Under the British Nationality act the Home Secretary is entitled to deprive a person of citizenship if the Home Secretary thinks that deprivation is conducive to the public good, that it's a good thing to do.

Do tell, were you "comfortable" with her remarks regarding the Ariana Grande concert bombings or does your bleeding heart not register those?

[meridian]

Good riddance of the week

Do tell, were you "comfortable" with her remarks regarding the Ariana Grande concert bombings or does your bleeding heart not register those?

My comfort with anything is not relevant here. My only interest in commenting on this case is from a legal perspective.

Were any remarks a crime? If so, she should be charged accordingly. If they were simply offensive and you didn’t like them, but they are not a chargeable crime, then you need to internalise that and understand whether or not remarks that simply “offend” is a slippery slope.

You’ve only selectively quoted the Home Office guidance, by the way.