Sanctioned for a Year?

[original PM]

It's not hard to avoid getting pregnant. Willful carelessness is no different than deliberate.

Completely agree - when I was working in recruitment spent an awful lot of time in Job Centres.

Few things to note

1) Dole money is not money you have 'earned'
2) You do not just 'fall' pregnant - it is not a miracle everyone knows how it happens and how to prevent it.

So call me a right wing Nazi but if you ain't earning and you decide to keep reproducing tulipty little versions of your lazy arse self stop expecting everyone else to foot the bill.

[DaveB]

More Workfare stories.

Pete the Temp

He told me he is on a six month, 30 hour per week Workfare placement. The work is a compulsory condition for receiving his Job Seekers Allowance – a meagre £240 a month to live off. Of this he has to pay his own travel (£88 a month) to get to and from his unpaid work. That leaves him a grand total of £152 a month (or £38 a week) for food, bills, and any other services or contingencies needed to maintain his home and his health. I don’t imagine his weekends are particularly lively...they do not provide food so many days he can’t afford to eat at work.

[psychocandy]

You don't know they were deliberate.

It was. They boast they'll get a bigger flat now.

Not hard though is it? Use contraception of keep your hand on it.

[psychocandy]

Reminds of an argument I had with a friend of mine whos a bit of a leftie.

Some of you may have seen the TV prog, Skint about Merthyr. Some of the scrotes were moaning there was no work in the area.

My argument is get on the bus to Cardiff less than an hour away. My mate reckons its unfair that people should have to get up early, travel for an hour, pay their own bus fare just to earn £40-£50 week more than they get on benefits.

BAD BAD attitude. But thats part of the problem. Choices. Claim benefits and still have enough to pay for beer and fags or get out of bed and off the sofa for bit more. Most choose first one.

[psychocandy]

Maybe Im naive but why do people need foodbanks?

Surely, assume your getting benefits, its more than enough to pay for basic food? What am I missing?

[MicrosoftBob]

Maybe Im naive but why do people need foodbanks?

Surely, assume your getting benefits, its more than enough to pay for basic food? What am I missing?

Benefit sanctions mainly, if you don't make it to the jobcentre in time to sign on or do anything they don't like, you get a sanction and reduced or no benefits for a while

Those fiddling the system will get by, as usual it's people they don't like or too dimwitted to realise they're up against minimum wage staff under pressure to sanction as many people as possible

[tractor]

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Completely agree - when I was working in recruitment spent an awful lot of time in Job Centres.

Few things to note

1) Dole money is not money you have 'earned'
2) You do not just 'fall' pregnant - it is not a miracle everyone knows how it happens and how to prevent it.

So call me a right wing Nazi but if you ain't earning and you decide to keep reproducing tulipty little versions of your lazy arse self stop expecting everyone else to foot the bill.

Once a family is started there is no going back. For some, fate deals a poor hand, divorce, separation, death or serious illness of a breadwinner can all put a burden on otherwise responsible people. The problem is, separating those who the welfare system was created to help from the losers is the way forward. But we appear to be applying a nuclear approach and it catches everyone, the needy AND the greedy alike.

Not everyone has kids just because they can and they know the state (aka everyone else) will provide for them.

I am pretty neutral either way (except for the instances of the dossers with 14 kids on channel 4), but either we are a welfare state or we are not. And if anyone thinks that if there were full employment tomorrow, you would get a tax reduction or a rebate, you are seriously deluded.

[DaveB]

Maybe Im naive but why do people need foodbanks?

Surely, assume your getting benefits, its more than enough to pay for basic food? What am I missing?

Because of things like this

Pete the Temp

He told me he is on a six month, 30 hour per week Workfare placement. The work is a compulsory condition for receiving his Job Seekers Allowance – a meagre £240 a month to live off. Of this he has to pay his own travel (£88 a month) to get to and from his unpaid work. That leaves him a grand total of £152 a month (or £38 a week) for food, bills, and any other services or contingencies needed to maintain his home and his health. I don’t imagine his weekends are particularly lively...they do not provide food so many days he can’t afford to eat at work

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[psychocandy]

Benefit sanctions mainly, if you don't make it to the jobcentre in time to sign on or do anything they don't like, you get a sanction and reduced or no benefits for a while

Those fiddling the system will get by, as usual it's people they don't like or too dimwitted to realise they're up against minimum wage staff under pressure to sanction as many people as possible

So normally they wouldnt need?

Difficult one benefit sanctions. Know only too well the admin of the benefits system is crap and they are all useless.

I got bollacked once because the clock had ticked 20 seconds past my signing on time.

But end of the day, if you do break the rules then its your own look out.

[psychocandy]

Because of things like this

Pete the Temp

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Would agree that no-one should be worse off working than not working.

BUT, I do take an issue with people who says its not worth getting out of bed for £40 a week etc.

If its 10p a week more its worth it because you're getting work experience.

Like I said got some leftie mates. When I tell them how far I commute they're argument is yes but you get paid loads and wouldnt do it for min wage.

My answer is always, I dont fancy cleaning toilets but I would do if I had to. But then again, I got off my butt and listened in school and made an effort. Also, if we didnt have benefits then people wouldnt turn their nose up at crap jobs cos they'd starve otherwise.