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    Default Oh Dear : new labour rolls over and says 'pet me Bush'

    Ah, spin is alive and well in the UK....

    Flights from UK 'escape US bans'

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5396018.stm

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    Passengers flying from UK airports will not be affected by a EU-US row over US demands for information on passengers, the British government has said.
    The Department of Transport (DoT) said it had taken out an air navigation order, so planes flying to the US would escape potential American landing bans.
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    Sounds fantastic! ... until you read...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5396018.stm


    "EU court annuls data deal with US

    The US said the deal was essential after the 9/11 attacks
    The European Court of Justice has annulled an EU-US agreement requiring airlines to transfer passenger data to the US authorities.
    The court said the decision to hand over the data, including addresses and credit card details, lacked an "appropriate legal basis".

    The US says the information helps identify potential terrorists.

    EU and US officials say they are confident a solution can be found to enable the data transfers to continue.

    Stewart Baker, an assistant secretary of state for the US Department of Homeland Security, said: "I am confident that we will find a solution that will keep the data flowing and the planes flying."

    It's really a problem for the lawyers
    David Henderson, Association of European Airlines


    Q&A: Passenger data row
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    The agreement demands that within 15 minutes of take-off for the United States, a European airline must send the US authorities 34 items of personal information about the passengers on board.

    Washington had warned that it would impose heavy fines and deny landing rights for any airline failing to comply with the agreement.

    The US authorities also said passengers would be subject to long security checks on arrival if the data was not sent in advance.

    Parliament opposition

    The US demanded tighter airline security worldwide after the 11 September 2001 attacks on New York and Washington by suicide hijackers.

    The ruling ensures that there is... no disruption of transatlantic air traffic, and that a high level of security is maintained until 30 September

    European Commission spokesman Johannes Laitenberger
    The European Parliament argued that the US did not guarantee adequate levels of data protection and that handing over the data violated passengers' privacy.

    It asked the European Court of Justice to annul the deal.

    However, the court did not consider the privacy argument in its ruling, and confined itself to examing the legal basis of the data transfer.

    It said the EU Data Protection Directive, on which the Council of the European Union and the European Commission based their actions did not apply to data collected for security purposes.

    It gave the EU until 30 September 2006 to find a new legal solution."



    Hands up who wants the US having access to your credit card details etc, and your fingerprints (or DNA..?) because you go to Florida for week... bearing in mind how easy it is for you to be extradited to the US - with new labour rubber stamping the extradition - even though you may face no charges in the UK.
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    A sovereign state can demand whatever it fancies for any willing person to enter that state - if you don't like it then don't enter it.

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    Well, Alexei... is it reciprocal? Do we receive the same information about people flying into the UK..?

    'Will mister CEO of american corp please reveal his financial details within 15 minutes of take off? No? Oh, ok then, we were only asking...'

    Double standards again.

    Frankly, ill pass... im off to a Scandinavian country for a holiday next...

    Scoping out a bolt hole once the ability to call oneself 'English' is outlawed in the 'UK'.
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    EU should require the same information.

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    Who says the UK isn't already sharing info on any random UK citizen with the US? I mean MI5 could be secretly sending data to the CIA on anyone - though more than likely anyone with a Muslim name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcquiggd
    Well, Alexei... is it reciprocal? Do we receive the same information about people flying into the UK..?

    'Will mister CEO of american corp please reveal his financial details within 15 minutes of take off? No? Oh, ok then, we were only asking...'

    Double standards again.

    Frankly, ill pass... im off to a Scandinavian country for a holiday next...

    Scoping out a bolt hole once the ability to call oneself 'English' is outlawed in the 'UK'.
    Actually... it appears that America is the only nation that takes its national security seriously. if England was serious about its national security it too would be asking for this type of information.

    Unfortunately for us, England is not serious about its national security.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mailman
    Unfortunately for us, England is not serious about its national security.
    We are, it is just that those running it don't know their arse from their elbow. It's all done from Tony's sofa now.

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