Here we go again ...

[Dallas]

Bring over and outsource as much as you want, they will still need independent specialists to clean it up

[vetran]

someone needs to make clear to the government that this sort of activity drops the tax take. It decrease local skill and hand more profit to offshore outfits.

Its their foot and they have both barrels trained on it. The UK government would conservatively probably be about £200k better off if they hadn't let my end client ICT me.

[MrMarkyMark]

someone needs to make clear to the government that this sort of activity drops the tax take. It decrease local skill and hand more profit to offshore outfits.

Its their foot and they have both barrels trained on it. The UK government would conservatively probably be about £200k better off if they hadn't let my end client ICT me.

Shame they are not interested in the realities of the situation.
Its good for industry, innit

[alphadog]

Like it or loathe it, this is simply the virtually-unstoppable force of globalisation IMHO. Companies have one motive - to maximise profits for shareholders. If they can do that by outsourcing, they will.

Result in this particular BA situation is fewer jobs available in the UK and downward pressure on rates for competing jobs that remain in the UK.

Won't stop until equivalent profit attributable to a UK worker equals an offshore worker. How does that happen? Exchange rates, quality of output, hourly rates, etc, adjust.

There is some truth to those upper echelon UK contractors who say "I am so skilled my job will never be outsourced", but there is also a fair amount of wishful thinking involved with such sentiments as well

[vetran]

There is some truth to those upper echelon UK contractors who say "I am so skilled my job will never be outsourced", but there is also a fair amount of wishful thinking involved with such sentiments as well

yep you hear this a lot then realise there are a billion Indians or Chinese willing to do your job for a 10th of the money and to do the work to get as good as you. Then you realise you can't stay that good against people willing to eat, drink & sleep your specialty.

[MrMarkyMark]

There is some truth to those upper echelon UK contractors who say "I am so skilled my job will never be outsourced", but there is also a fair amount of wishful thinking involved with such sentiments as well

Depends whether the skills you have can be offshored successfully.

Some roles requiring business domain combined with IT knowledge (one not taught at Indian universities) will continue to be onshore.
Obviously, if you have managed offshore teams, then you will, also, be more desirable.

[Dallas]

That is how clients are whittling out the offshorers: business knowledge and proven track records in end to end projects.

[_V_]

someone needs to make clear to the government that this sort of activity drops the tax take. It decrease local skill and hand more profit to offshore outfits.

Its their foot and they have both barrels trained on it. The UK government would conservatively probably be about £200k better off if they hadn't let my end client ICT me.

It's the only way we will get any govt to step in, is to show an overall drop in tax take with ICT/work permit approach.

The rates are low, the profit from the worker end up in India, so there's almost no tax take there. Any cost saving for the client (if overall, there is any) will be not passed on the HMR&C through corp tax due to clever accounting and corp tax havens.

Forgetting the UK employment and worker protection, British jobs for British people angle, ICT/Work permit workers cost the UK economy big time...

[MrMarkyMark]

Met a number of Indian contractors who all share a LTD company, PI insurance etc.
Planning to do it, as long as they can get away with, before fleeing, back, with all the proceeds offshore.

[_V_]

Met a number of Indian contractors who all share a LTD company, PI insurance etc.
Planning to do it, as long as they can get away with, before fleeing, back, with all the proceeds offshore.

Yes, there's a lot of tax evasion going on there too.