Channel 4 Documentary - Wed 13th April - What British Muslims Really think.

[OwlHoot]

You have deliberately inverted the questions to make them sensationalist.

Surely the sensationalist version of:

34% would inform the police if they thought somebody they knew was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria

reads:

66% would NOT inform the police if they thought somebody they knew was getting involved with people who support terrorism in Syria

which if true is pretty shocking.

[vetran]

"Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds"

Half of all British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, poll finds | UK news | The Guardian

how very dare you its the religion of peace.

[PurpleGorilla]

Channel 4 Documentary - Wed 13th April - What British Muslims Really think.

how very dare you its the religion of peace.

Have I gone too far by posting a link to an impartial survey?

[sasguru]

Somebody ban this tedious twunt please ....

[SueEllen]

Surely the sensationalist version of

reads:

which if true is pretty shocking.

The survey misses out the question -
"Which one of these other measures would you take?"

When you write surveys how you phrase the questions gets you the answers you want. If you are a member of IPSE you would be acutely aware of that trick.

[PurpleGorilla]

The survey misses out the question -
"Which one of these other measures would you take?"

When you write surveys how you phrase the questions gets you the answers you want. If you are a member of IPSE you would be acutely aware of that trick.

How about you watch the programme an make up your own mind on how well the survey was conducted?

[vetran]

The survey misses out the question -
"Which one of these other measures would you take?"

When you write surveys how you phrase the questions gets you the answers you want. If you are a member of IPSE you would be acutely aware of that trick.

that be the problem with surveys..

However if you don't like the results then you are unlikely to agree with the process.

I suppose adding a control group of non muslims might have helped however the questions would have to be made relevant to them.

[NotAllThere]

I read the survey a few days ago in the Times, and I can't say I'm terribly impressed.

For example "sympathise" is rather a weak word. For example, it could mean "I can understand why they'd do it, but there's no way I'd do it myself, and if someone was planning to do it, I'd report them to the police". Or it could mean "Die infidel!"

"condone" or "support" would be better, to select a group at random.

E.g. Do you sympathise with those who think that senior HMRC officials should all be put up against a wall and shot in front of their families?

I'm fairly sure that a set of questions could be conjured up that would reveal fairly shocking attitudes among UK IT contractors.

So as others have said - who cares?

[Sir Humphrey demonstrates how public surveys can reach opposite conclusions]
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the rise in crime among teenagers?
Bernard Woolley: Yes.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Do you think there is lack of discipline and vigorous training in our Comprehensive Schools?
Bernard Woolley: Yes.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Do you think young people welcome some structure and leadership in their lives?
Bernard Woolley: Yes.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Do they respond to a challenge?
Bernard Woolley: Yes.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Might you be in favour of reintroducing National Service?
Bernard Woolley: Er, I might be.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Yes or no?
Bernard Woolley: Yes.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Of course, after all you've said you can't say no to that. On the other hand, the surveys can reach opposite conclusions.
[survey two]
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Mr. Woolley, are you worried about the danger of war?
Bernard Woolley: Yes.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Are you unhappy about the growth of armaments?
Bernard Woolley: Yes.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Do you think there's a danger in giving young people guns and teaching them how to kill?
Bernard Woolley: Yes.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Do you think it's wrong to force people to take arms against their will?
Bernard Woolley: Yes.
Sir Humphrey Appleby: Would you oppose the reintroduction of conscription?
Bernard Woolley: Yes.
[does a double-take]
Sir Humphrey Appleby: There you are, Bernard. The perfectly balanced sample.

[PurpleGorilla]

Channel 4 Documentary - Wed 13th April - What British Muslims Really think.

I read the survey a few days ago in the Times, and I can't say I'm terribly impressed.

For example "sympathise" is rather a weak word. For example, it could mean "I can understand why they'd do it, but there's no way I'd do it myself, and if someone was planning to do it, I'd report them to the police". Or it could mean "Die infidel!"

"condone" or "support" would be better, to select a group at random.

E.g. Do you sympathise with those who think that senior HMRC officials should all be put up against a wall and shot in front of their families?

I'm fairly sure that a set of questions could be conjured up that would reveal fairly shocking attitudes among UK IT contractors.

So as others have said - who cares?

Given the hideous acts of violence in the name of Islam in the UK, combined with FGM, the wearing of oppressive female clothing, the segregation of worship, honour killings, the rape rings of Rotherham; I would argue that the survey can be linked to real world supportive evidence.

Channel 4 invited writer and former Chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission Trevor Phillips to analyse and interpret the survey for the documentary. Phillips argues its findings pose profound questions for our society and the implications for future relations between Britain’s Muslim and non-Muslim communities.

Trevor Phillips says: “Hearing what British Muslims themselves think, rather than listening to those purporting to speak on their behalf, is critical if we are to prevent the establishment of a nation within our nation. Many of the results will be troubling to Muslims and non-Muslims alike – and the analysis of the age profile shows us that the social attitudes revealed are unlikely to change quickly.

“The integration of Britain’s Muslims will probably be the hardest task we’ve ever faced. It will require the abandonment of the milk-and-water multiculturalism still so beloved of many, and the adoption of a far more muscular approach to integration.”

[NotAllThere]

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