Leave campaign suffer honesty outbreak

[GB9]

Except more of this as the truth will out. The exit camp is falling apart at the seams.

Lies, capital flight, no immigrant solution, back of the queue for trade. The fallout will be massive when exit camp explodes.

Lies (like claiming capital flight when there isn't any)
Immigration (controlled)
Back of queue (not according to Trump)

[scooterscot]

Lies (like claiming capital flight when there isn't any)

I work in news. Facts are for history.

[original PM]

I don't need to read a letter if he is saying (according to BBC R4 news) that JCB was selling to Europe before Britain joined the common market.

That is about the most stupid argument I ever heard

Well it is not really - all he is actually saying is

Before the UK were part of the common market we sold to countries in Europe

Currently we are part of the 'EU' and we sell to countries in Europe

Therefore if we leave the EU we could still sell to companies in Europe

It is actually a pretty simple basic statement

[Eirikur]

Well it is not really - all he is actually saying is

Before the UK were part of the common market we sold to countries in Europe

Currently we are part of the 'EU' and we sell to countries in Europe

Therefore if we leave the EU we could still sell to companies in Europe

It is actually a pretty simple basic statement

yes that's the problem it's too simple. things have changed quite a lot in the last 40 years

[LondonManc]

The world has changed since we joined the EU. Global business is far easier to do. We don't need to be in the EU to offshore to Poland, Pune or anywhere else.
We don't need to be in the EU to bring in skilled migrant workers where we have gaps.
We DO need to be in the EU to give countless billions to other EU countries for no reason other than them being members of the EU. It's become a socialist superstate that's very good at handing out other people's money.

[VectraMan]

The world has changed since we joined the EU. Global business is far easier to do. We don't need to be in the EU to offshore to Poland, Pune or anywhere else.
We don't need to be in the EU to bring in skilled migrant workers where we have gaps.
We DO need to be in the EU to give countless billions to other EU countries for no reason other than them being members of the EU. It's become a socialist superstate that's very good at handing out other people's money.

"Countless" is about 6 isn't it?

Nobody has ever suggest the UK can't trade with the world if we're not in the EU (other than the Brexiters who claim the EU stops us trading with the world). It's only a question of whether it's better for trade to be in a free trading block. It's hard to believe anybody thinks it isn't.

[OwlHoot]

EU referendum: MP Sarah Wollaston swaps sides over 'untrue' Leave claims - BBC News

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I wouldn't call that an "honesty" outbreak, more like a "Baroness in the next honours list" outbreak

OH in "Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world... but for Wales?" mode

[original PM]

"Countless" is about 6 isn't it?

Nobody has ever suggest the UK can't trade with the world if we're not in the EU (other than the Brexiters who claim the EU stops us trading with the world). It's only a question of whether it's better for trade to be in a free trading block. It's hard to believe anybody thinks it isn't.

Err not sure that's true.

We do not say the EU stops us trading with the world

Just that being part of the EU means the rules within which we trade with the rest of the world are based on a consensus of 28 different countries and not just the based on what the UK wants.

[VectraMan]

Just that being part of the EU means the rules within which we trade with the rest of the world are based on a consensus of 28 different countries and not just the based on what the UK wants.

Trading with anyone means following rules based on a consensus of at least 2 countries. The UK doesn't get what it wants in any scenario.

[original PM]

Trading with anyone means following rules based on a consensus of at least 2 countries. The UK doesn't get what it wants in any scenario.

Not bit if it leaves the EU it will at least not have to worry about a committee of 28 deciding it.

In addition if it is two countries then a mutually beneficial arrangement can be made for both countries

If it is the EU and a country then there could end up being an arrangement which is mutually beneficial for both - however that does not mean it will be beneficial to every country in the EU