FTSE 250

[WTFH]

1) Why the U.K. is better off by not having the ability to control it's own laws.

It already could and did.

2) Why the U.K. is better off by not having the ability to remove it's own leaders democratically.

It already could and did. But it could not (and still cannot) remove the undemocratic Civil Service and Special Advisers.

3) Why the U.K. is better off by not having the ability to decide to remove itself from the E.U., instead being forced to be a member until the majority of other members decide it's allowed to leave.

Because the UK signed up to a group and the requirements to leave were clearly stated and agreed by the democratically elected UK parliamentarians. That's why.

[CretinWatcher]

There's a trade defecit, they sell a lot more to us than we sell to them.

This is one of those myths that keeps getting repeated and its annoying.

There a trade deficit in goods, but for us there's a trade surplus in services.

If we lose access to the single market, German manufacturers will lose some business with us but we'll lose a hell of a lot of business in financial services.
The German economy has a massive trade surplus*, we have massive twin deficits (trade and fiscal).

In a trade war we'd go bust well before them, because the foreigners who fund our deficits would take fright as they grew. Bit like what happened to Greece.

HTH, BIKIW.

* Just checked and it has fiscal surplus as well.

Money talks, BS walks. If we wanted to play hardball with Germany perhaps we should have lived within our means.

[SantaClaus]

Is that true? Did we the U.K. not get a veto on that decision? What you're saying there is that:

"..If an Artikle Funfzig ist not submitted by next April, zen ze U.K. kann never ever leave ze E.U! Und vill forever be joined to ze new Motherland!"

I really can't see that, that's the thing that would start wars, the E.U. is all about peace and friendship isn't it?

See this article here:

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/06...-grave-danger/

[mudskipper]

See this article here:

https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2016/06...-grave-danger/

Would be helpful if the author referenced his sources.

I've found the following:

The mechanics of leaving the EU - explaining Article 50

Which suggests that the withdrawal is up to the member state's constitutional requirements, and the arrangements for the withdrawal are subject to a qualified majority.

Then there's this

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedoc...aff/144960.pdf

which describes the changes to the QM vote - we're currently in a transitional phase until April 2017.


So no-one can prevent us leaving, but the leaving negotiations (the 'deal') will be subject to the changed QM rules as they will almost certainly extend after April 2017.

IANAL, but can't find any source documents suggesting that rules changing in April '17 will prevent us leaving if Article 50 is not triggered by then. DYOR.

[NigelJK]

Everyone living in the UK will lose. You will lose. I won't lose. I don't live in the UK. Is that clear enough for you, loser?

OK for the hard of thinking. You still have not answered the question, what are you going to do when we exit?

Think that says it all really don't you?

Is that clear enough for you, loser?

I'm guessing that's aimed at me. I voted out, so I'm the winner here.

BTW I've voted at every opportunity to vote in the last 30+ years and only once before last week has the outcome been what I voted for. I had to put up with that twunt Blair for 12 years, and never once did I moan about the outcome.

Care to give us your reasons for berating us?

[WTFH]

Have I blocked rl4, or is he unable to respond politely to my comments. He gave me zero seconds, I've given him 16 hours.

[WTFH]

IANAL, but can't find any source documents suggesting that rules changing in April '17 will prevent us leaving if Article 50 is not triggered by then. DYOR.

And if Article 50 is not triggered by the UK government, then we're not going anywhere. So, the big question from some should not be "how can be blame the EU for everything?" But "why will our right wing government refuse to invoke article 50 immediately?"
It's not the EU's fault. It's not Corbyn's fault (Although he is a socialist so is personally responsible for everything wrong with the world), it's not Farage's fault (since he is unelected in the UK).

I'm surprised the people who were so vocal on Brexit are picking on others rather than dealing with the issue that their wishes are being ignored by the elected UK parliament.

Shame.

[CretinWatcher]

Care to give us your reasons for berating us?

Well, some of us think economic chaos and the break up of the Uk aren't good ideas.

[NotAllThere]

You still have not answered the question, what are you going to do when we exit?

Stay in Switzerland, occasionally visit the UK to benefit from cheap shopping and pity the poor people who thought they'd benefit from a Brexit.

Like this chap.

I voted out, so I'm the winner here.

Care to give us your reasons for berating us?

*sigh*. Ok, I'll try again. You won the vote. I didn't vote for Brexit because I thought it would be bad for Britain. You winning the vote doesn't change that opinion. I said a win for Brexit would be disastrous for the UK. If in five years time you're living in a happy, prosperous country, I'll be glad to admit you'd be right. I'd even be really happy to be wrong. But all the indications are (so far) I'm not wrong. It's gonna be a mess for a long time and the UK will come out of it all the poorer.

You won the vote. Not the argument. The reasons why a Brexit is bad have not disappeared miraculously as a result of the referendum.

Since I think you (and other Brexiters) don't understand this fairly basic logic, I can only conclude you're all a bit thick. Hence the berating.

Do you understand now? (I wonder if you can get the distinction between "understand" and "agree")

[NigelJK]

You won the vote.

Phew, glad we got that straight.

Well, some of us think economic chaos and the break up of the Uk aren't good ideas.

If in five years time

But all the indications are (so far)

Do you understand now? (I wonder if you can get the distinction between "understand" and "agree")

I get it. Your crystal ball, which incidentally failed miserably to predict the outcome, now fails to predict what might happen in your preconceived view of a Britain free EU?