[Merged]US election stuff

[SpontaneousOrder]

They haven't been "called" by the network because at the moment there is no need for a network to do that. But if you look on somewhere like politico then you will see the number of votes in each state now that 100% of the precincts have confirmed their results.

MI: Trump 2,279,221 Clinton 2,267,798

NH: Clinton 347,048 Trump 345,464

AZ: Trump 972,900 Clinton 888,374

That gives Trump 306 electoral college votes, Clinton 231 but Clinton still got more votes than Trump overall by about 250000.

As someone once wrote, "the electoral college is a disaster for democracy"

The us has never claimed to be a pure democracy. I.e. pure mob rule.

If you remove the electoral college and elect purely on popular vote then there would be no point in having a federation of states - you may as well have just 1 big state.

[pjclarke]

If the Donald withdraws America from the Paris agreement, the climate crisis, will be not just alive but kicking. And, while he may not be around to see it, history will judge President Trump as the man who grabbed the planet by the pussy and f**ked it.

Two observations. Around 0.2 million more Americans voted for Mrs Clinton than supported Mr Trump. I'm not arguing that this makes the result illegitimate, both sides fought under the same rules, however viewed as an opinion poll, it is a fact that more people favoured Clinton's vision for the country over Trump's.

And the low turnout means that only about one in four people of voting age were sufficiently fired up to got off their large American bottoms and express support for the Dumpster.

[WTFH]

Indeed. He didn't even call Obama a **** when they met.

No, but he did seem very keen to maintain eye contact while listening to what the current pres was saying...

[WTFH]

Just read the DM article - their story is actually that some people on Twitter have been poking fun at other people on Twitter.
...newsworthy indeed.

[SpontaneousOrder]

Here Are 13 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist | The Huffington Post

HuffPo?

1) the Khans - Even if you agree that it was prejudice, there was no race element involved. So it can hardly be racist, can it?

2) The Mexican judge - That judge is Mexican like the Italian Americans who call themselves Italian, or the Irish Americans who call themselves Irish. Beyond that, what Trump did was nothing any lawyer doesn't routinely do if the judge hadn't already recused themselves. Trump didn't object to the judges ability, but rather his potential bias.

3) Not renting to black people - Trump talks about this in his book "the art of the deal". There was no admission of liability, and he in fact did have black people in his buildings. He talks about the fact that he didn't like having to go around with the heavies to collect rent while working for his dad (hence going more up market himself) and that in his buildings the concern was the ability of his tenants to pay their rent. Obviously, given the demographics, difficulty in paying rent would affect back people more often than white people, and the city saw fewer black people when they looked at the numbers and didn't like it.

4) General anti-black stuff - No actual verifiable evidence. If we should believe this then we should also believe the many racism accusations against Hillary Clinton. As much as I think she's evil, I can't do that without some actual evidence.

He did insist that jews and blacks be allowed at his Mar-a-Lago golf club though, which wasn't standard at the time.

5) David Duke - He took 1 day longer than people wanted after he was put on the spot in an interview."Trump said he couldn’t condemn a group he hadn’t yet researched." Really clutching at straws now. And that white racists like Trump is like saying psychopaths are attracted to the police & military - well, duh... of course. Does that mean the police & military is a bad idea?

I don't see HuffPo calling Clinton a racist because of her KKK leader pal & mentor, Robert Byrd, about whom she said upon his death 6 years ago: "...a true friend & mentor... a man of surpassing eloquence and nobility...".

6) Birtherism - His dad & brother are Kenyan. The Clinton campaign were circulating photos of Obama wearing African clothing etc. If Trump not showing his tax returns is a sig of guilt according to Obama, then can't Obama refusing to show his birth certificate be a sign of guilt to Trump? So where does the racism fit in here?

Was he racist when the challenged Ted Cruz on the same topic?

7) WTF? you really shouldn't read HuffPo. Hold on... I remember you arguing abut that book you eventually admitted you hadn't actually read. Did you read this article or just google "racist stuff about trump" ?

Anyhow, they seem to be saying it's racist to talk about blacks or hispanics (which isn't a race, btw) as a collective - unless it's to say they're victims of white people's systemic racism, or whatever. This one is just so absurd that I I'll leave it there.

8) He said some supposed Indians don't look like Indians - Hrm... ok. That's not racist. These are getting silly now.

9) This one isn't about racism.

10) He expressed sympathies towards the assault of a member of the domestic terrorist organisation, black lives matter - Where's the evidence of racism here? Also we now now that the DNC paid for protestors to start fights at Trump rallies so they could blame it on Trump. Largely besides the point, but worth noting.

I'm spotting a trend here. If the alleged victim is black, and the alleged perp is white, then they feel entitled to assert that the incident was racially motivated without any substantiating evidence. I.e. bulltulip.

11) 2 guys beat up homeless latino - HuffPo is spinning a lie here. Looking that the actual quotes on CNN, he said it was unaware but it would be a shame if true. Then later, not about these two guys, he said "I will say, the people that are following me are very passionate," - NOT:

he suggested that the men were well-intentioned and had simply gotten carried away.

“I will say that people who are following me are very passionate,” Trump said.

as the HuffPo says. This dishonesty and fabrication should tell you all you need to know about how much credence to give to this list of 13.

12) star of David on a pile of cash - this is professional outrage dumb****ery to the max. Do you have young children? Ask them to draw a star. Guess what? they'll draw a triangle and then another one on top of it upside-down. Are your kids anti-semetic?

As for the other stuff, they were a political group - to suppose that they won't want him because they'd prefer a bought & paid for candidate is hardly remarkable.

13) token black men - Media lambasts him as racist & anti black, and then he points out his black supporters in the crowd and makes an appreciative comment. Hardly tokenising is it? More like recognition & making a point that he is happy to have him there and anyone else who want to be there. If the media didn't say things like the quote below, he wouldn't even have said anything.

In fact, Trump has the lowest level of African-American support of any Republican presidential nominee since 1948

HAhhahahahahaha. They're so wrong on everything yet people still read (or pretend to. PJ?) their drivel.




So in that list of 13 you linked to there isn't a single one that is even worth investigating. Sounds like a cheap trick to win over the hard of thinking who don't check the veracity of what they read..

[SpontaneousOrder]

Two observations. Around 0.2 million more Americans voted for Mrs Clinton than supported Mr Trump.

Statistically VERY small margin. So here's a genuine question:

If you had to guess, how many non-citizens do you reckon voted illegally for each of the candidates?

[WTFH]

2) The Mexican judge - Trump didn't object to the judges ability, but rather his potential bias.

The “Mexican” judge was born in Indiana, last time I checked that was in the US.

At the end of a lengthy exchange, Tapper asked: "If you are saying he cannot do his job because of his race, is that not the definition of racism?"
"No, I don't think so at all," Trump said.

Donald Trump defends criticism of judge with Mexican heritage - CNNPolitics.com

4) General anti-black stuff - No actual verifiable evidence…
He did insist that jews and blacks be allowed at his Mar-a-Lago golf club though, which wasn't standard at the time.

So, no evidence, apart from the evidence you present yourself.

I don't see HuffPo calling Clinton a racist because of her KKK leader pal & mentor, Robert Byrd, about whom she said upon his death 6 years ago: "...a true friend & mentor... a man of surpassing eloquence and nobility...".

Would that be the same guy who said:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times . . . and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

A Senator's Shame

6) Birtherism - His dad & brother are Kenyan. The Clinton campaign were circulating photos of Obama wearing African clothing etc. If Trump not showing his tax returns is a sig of guilt according to Obama, then can't Obama refusing to show his birth certificate be a sign of guilt to Trump? So where does the racism fit in here?

Obama has produced his birth certificate. Trump still refuses to accept that birth certificate as genuine.

8) He said some supposed Indians don't look like Indians - Hrm... ok. That's not racist.

He said that ““We are going to judge people by whether they have Indian blood,”
Followed by his comments about people not looking like Indians.
Donald Trump and Federal Indian Policy: ‘They Don’t Look Like Indians to Me’ - ICTMN.com

10) He expressed sympathies towards the assault of a member of the domestic terrorist organisation, black lives matter - Where's the evidence of racism here?

Who has defined them as a “Domestic terrorist organisation”? Oh, yes, I can see the groups who are petitioning for it to happen.
White House responds to petition to label Black Lives Matter a "terror" group - CBS News

[greenlake]

[Flashman]

According to La Toynbee



Really?

I actually quite like some of the stuff she writes but playing that card is well below the belt

and as one of the comments puts it

She's the worst kind of champagne socialist but I kind of feel sorry for her now. That's article a bit too much. Maybe some sort of personal problems have affected her writing?

[cojak]

Have the last 3 states given up now Trump has won?

Asserting that (stating that bigotry is evil, is bigoted) suffers from an infinite regression problem. That means you're mistaken somewhere.

Only if one agrees with your definition of bigotry and the people defined as such.

I don't agree with it.

I don't mind people expressing different views (left or right) from my own, I object to the intolerance of people to look at considering those views and the quality of debate on CUK.