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    Telegraph link...

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    The EU’s accounts haven’t been signed off for years.

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    Auditors say the accounts are accurate and have been since 2007. But they record significant errors in how money is paid, and this has been the case since 1995.

    http://www.europarl.europa.eu/ftu/pdf/en/FTU_1.3.12.pdf
    http://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/ECADo...EN.pdf#page=13
    http://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/ECADo...N.PDF#page=120


    http://www.eca.europa.eu/Lists/ECADo...EN.pdf#page=11



    Error is not always the same as fraud or waste

    Just because some money is paid in error doesn’t mean people all the people involved have deliberately tried to defraud the EU.

    A small minority of the cases that the auditors look at each year involve suspected fraud. The UK’s Public Accounts Committee of MPs has concluded for years that the complexity of the EU’s spending programmes, which creates misunderstandings, contributes towards these errors.

    It also doesn’t necessarily mean the money was ‘wasted’, just that it wasn’t paid out according to the rules. One way to run afoul of the rules, for instance, is to award an EU-funded contract directly without holding a proper bidding process. Even though the rules haven’t been followed, it's not always the case that another firm would have been able to put in a lower bid.

    The Court explains:

    “Our estimate of the level of error is not a measure of fraud, inefficiency or waste. It is an estimate of the money that should not have been paid out because it was not used in accordance with the applicable rules and regulations.”

    The most common type of error is when people claim for costs they’re ineligible for, followed by procurement errors like the one discussed above.
    It’s not all the EU’s fault, and it gets some of the money back

    While the EU is ultimately responsible for its own budget, the majority of the spending is implemented by member countries. Both the EU and member states make similar amounts of error.

    In the UK’s case, the Public Accounts Committee has criticised the government for designing programmes which add to the complexity of EU spending, and showing a “distinct lack of urgency” in tackling that complexity and reducing the penalties the UK needs to pay back to the EU.

    It can take the EU several years to make corrections to the money paid out in error. It estimates that, over the 2009-2015 period, it recovered just over 2% of the average payments.
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    I watched a late night show, couple years back, eu politician, few others and Daniel Hannan - can't find it on youtube. It was about EU tackling youth unemployment and the eu politician said that they had "found" something like 17 billion euros to help improve the situation. Daniel Hannan, who I agree is a prick rightly asked where did they get the money from. All the eu politician could say was it's been paid in by member states.

    Again and again he asked about it and she had no idea where they had managed to pluck 17 billion from. Daniel Hannan then asked well if you had 17 billion just hanging around why not give it back to member states, because only Germany is not running a deficit. Everyone else has had to take loans out to pay for that 17 billion. Again, all she could say was well the member states have paid it in so it's ours.

    Bloody ridiculous.

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    I like this, you use the organisation's own publicity to prove your point. It's like Enron putting out a press release saying our accounts are accurate and everyone shouting its OK.

    We note they only managed to get the accounts accurate in 2007 eekeek

    I'm pretty sure if I filled in my tax return and said yes I lost €145 billion down the back of the sofa I'm pretty sure I would get a visit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scooterscot View Post
    Why Does the EU Get Such a Bad Rap?
    The proles have to have a hate figure. Historically it was the government, but they didn't like that, so they joined the EU so that it could take the blame for all evils.
    Hmm. I'm beginning to suspect that you need to find all the packing the computer came in...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAllThere View Post
    The proles have to have a hate figure. Historically it was the government, but they didn't like that, so they joined to EU so that could take the blame for all evils.
    17.5 million proles, really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAllThere View Post
    The proles have a right to question their leaders. Historically it was the government, but the Government didn't like that, so the government joined the EU so that ex ministers had a second pension plan and they could blame their incompetence on the EU.

    FTFY

    Typical mistruth shows why people dislike politicians & the EU because the way they win is lying

    People did not vote to join the EUSSR, EU or even the common Market, we voted to stay in what we were told was a trading bloc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMarkyMark View Post
    perfectly acceptable there is an EU press release that says so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetran View Post
    perfectly acceptable there is an EU press release that says so.
    Which gives credence to the rumours of MEPs being given big wedges of cash in hand, in the past, to cover expenses.

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