Austria to ban full-face veil in public places

[SueEllen]

******* backward religions. Sorry if you are religious.

FGM isn't actually a religious practise it is a cultural one.

While the majority of people who practise it are Muslims there are Christians and Jews who do.

This is why UK authorities originally turned a blind eye to it as they thought they would be seen as racist going after women from the entire continent of Africa regardless of religion, and parts of Asia such as Malaysia to stop it.

[northernladyuk]

You've hit the nail on the head.

As westerners we should show respect and dress modestly when visiting temples and such like when we are in the east.

Similarly easterners show show respect and dress non extremist when out in western public places (not covering the face).

You are conflating visiting temples and such like with everyday dress. Restrictions on clothing allowed to visit places of worship are common in East and West:



Restrictions on the freedom to dress as one chooses in day-to-day life are the product of societies or regimes such as Saudi which are hostile to personal liberty. Why should we follow it? We allow people to be recluses or to live in cloistered religious orders or to walk around naked (in England and Wales), so why not allow people the liberty to cover their faces, as distasteful as we may find it personally, when the alternative is to use the force of the state against them?

[The_Equalizer]

FGM isn't actually a religious practise it is a cultural one.

While the majority of people who practise it are Muslims there are Christians and Jews who do.

This is why UK authorities originally turned a blind eye to it as they thought they would be seen as racist going after women from the entire continent of Africa regardless of religion, and parts of Asia such as Malaysia to stop it.

Probably an argument of their own making.

[woohoo]

You are conflating visiting temples and such like with everyday dress. Restrictions on clothing allowed to visit places of worship are common in East and West:

Restrictions on the freedom to dress as one chooses in day-to-day life are the product of societies or regimes such as Saudi which are hostile to personal liberty. Why should we follow it? We allow people to be recluses or to live in cloistered religious orders or to walk around naked (in England and Wales), so why not allow people the liberty to cover their faces, as distasteful as we may find it personally, when the alternative is to use the force of the state against them?

The difference is you are introducing/enforcing a law that protects the individual. If the individual is forced to wear certain clothes then their rights should be protected. It does not make you an oppressive regime like Saudi, it's the opposite.

[d000hg]

Ah yes, tolerance of others. Nicely reciprocated in other countries....

WTF has that got to do with it? THat's an argument FOR tolerance not against it.

There is a cultural sensitivity that needs to be observed in Eastern countries (e.g. modest dressing in places like temples).

Similarly there should be a cultural sensitivity observing in Western countries (show your face in public places).

Their cultural sensitivity is rooted in deep-seated national religious identity, which it is respectful to follow. Our culture does NOT have a deep-rooted sensitivity to being able to see someone's face, except in recent times as a reaction to Islamic terrorists.

In the past, someone in Eastern garb would have been viewed as exotic, not disrespectful. The idea that wearing a veil is disrespectful to British culture is ironically something invented to cause friction between the cultures rather than to help us get along.

Note: you personally not liking someone in a veil is not the same as our culture.

[woohoo]

WTF has that got to do with it? THat's an argument FOR tolerance not against it.

Their cultural sensitivity is rooted in deep-seated national religious identity, which it is respectful to follow. Our culture does NOT have a deep-rooted sensitivity to being able to see someone's face, except in recent times as a reaction to Islamic terrorists.

In the past, someone in Eastern garb would have been viewed as exotic, not disrespectful. The idea that wearing a veil is disrespectful to British culture is ironically something invented to cause friction between the cultures rather than to help us get along.

Note: you personally not liking someone in a veil is not the same as our culture.

Where to start. Equality has been a hard long fight in this country. When people see women forced to wear dress to hide their modesty then it is offensive.

When people understand that a religion and it's communities practice barbaric rituals, its offensive.

When women and men are forced to live a certain way because of religion then yes thats offensive.

I could go on.

[OwlHoot]

Their cultural sensitivity is rooted in deep-seated national religious identity, which it is respectful to follow. ..

Bollox (like much of the conciliatory stuff you seem to have a compulsion to spout).

The Muslim bin bag over the head thing is all about exclusive male "ownership" of females, to the extent that no other man is even able to look at them.

I'd concede that in hot countries there's also an element of wanting to protect their wives' complexions from the Sun. But even that is for the husbands' benefits, and in temperate climates makes the practice even more ridiculous to maintain.

[LondonManc]

Where to start. Equality has been a hard long fight in this country. When people see women forced to wear dress to hide their modesty then it is offensive.

When people understand that a religion and it's communities practice barbaric rituals, its offensive.

When women and men are forced to live a certain way because of religion then yes thats offensive.

I could go on.

You usually do and it's usually leftie horsetulip.

The sentence immediately above that suggests that your knowledge of religion is basic at best.

[woohoo]

You usually do and it's usually leftie horsetulip.

The sentence immediately above that suggests that your knowledge of religion is basic at best.

Lefie horsetulip - didnt expect that.

Yep my knowledge of religion is pretty basic, fairy stories, oppression and control.

You usually do

I think you are right and probably a good time to end my time in this thread.

[Bee]

I agree on that. All type of covers that hide the face or body should be banned.

Yes, call me racist, I don't care.