Geert Lush Wilders

[minestrone]

Him, Le Pen and the rest will eventually get into power, maybe 10 years but eventually they will.

Europe is not dealing with the problems leading to their rise so their support will grow.

[original PM]

Not talking Mao mate, china was damp back then. I'm talking about current communist party responsible for current success of china (however fragile)

Yes but I suppose would the current government be able to do what they do if the memory of the slaughter of 45 million people who slightly (or even not at all opposed) the government had not taken place?

That sort of memory will take generations to get over.

Or to put it in a dramatic way - is the current China government really built on the broken skulls of millions of innocent children?

[sasguru]

All countries of success have limited civil rights (china, singapore) basically strong and good leadership that doesnt change and doesn't look to make everyone happy. Risky , but if done right (china , Singapore again) it may bring huge success. The downside you can become Russia or North Korea in extremes..

For capitalism we have another extreme - USA, with private healthcare, private central bank etc.

The country currently growing the fastest is India, which, with all its many flaws, is nevertheless a democracy.
7% pa compound growth means India will be one of largest economies in the world in our lifetime.

Looking at it geopolitically, we are going back to the 16th-17th century when India and China between them comprised about 50% of world GDP.
Then they succumbed to what was then superior European technology.
With not much technological advantage now (especially as the Western pop is dumbed-down and lazy), the only way to compete with these behemoths is to have a strong and united Europe.

[diseasex]

The country currently growing the fastest is India, which, with all its many flaws, is nevertheless a democracy.
7% pa compound growth means India will be one of largest economies in the world in our lifetime.

Looking at it geopolitically, we are going back to the 16th-17th century when India and China between them comprised about 50% of world GDP.
The only way to compete with these behemoths is to have a strong and united Europe.

More GDP for them ,the more trade for us (or US) in global economy. US was major beneficent from china growth, Europe, I feel, missed out.

[minestrone]

India's GDP is like 10% of the EUs despite having 3 times the population. Even at 7% growth an ice age will probably happen before they are competitive with us.

The place is too backward and corrupt to ever be competitive with the west.

[sasguru]

India's GDP is like 10% of the EUs despite having 3 times the population. Even at 7% growth an ice age will probably happen before they are competitive with us.

The place is too backward and corrupt to ever be competitive with the west.

Like most mathematical illiterates, you don't understand the difference between linear and exponential growth.
Yes Indias GDP is small compared to the EUs but they've reached that point in 25 years from zero.
Exponential growth means they won't take another 25 years to double current GDP.

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But you carry on getting pished in Scoltland and let the factual world pass you by

[diseasex]

Like most mathematical illiterates, you don't understand the difference between linear and exponential growth.
Yes Indias GDP is small compared to the EUs but they've reached that point in 25 years from zero.
Exponential growth means they won't take another 25 years to double current GDP.

But you carry on getting pished in Scoltland and let the factual world pass you by

What he's saying they will choke on corruption before they reach us

[sasguru]

What he's saying they will choke on corruption before they reach us

Doubt it. Free enterprise simply bypasses corruption.
Look at the US in its robber baron, gangster capitalism days (turn of the 20th century) - arguably its most corrupt time and yet the time it set the basis of future prosperity.
JP Morgan was as corrupt as they come.

[BrilloPad]

The country currently growing the fastest is India, which, with all its many flaws, is nevertheless a democracy.
7% pa compound growth means India will be one of largest economies in the world in our lifetime.

Looking at it geopolitically, we are going back to the 16th-17th century when India and China between them comprised about 50% of world GDP.
Then they succumbed to what was then superior European technology.
With not much technological advantage now (especially as the Western pop is dumbed-down and lazy), the only way to compete with these behemoths is to have a strong and united Europe.

Please help me. I agree with a sasguru post. East and West have always been roughly equal until about 200 years ago. Now the long term trend is being headed for.

Of course, in Victorian times the UK ruled two thirds of the earth. And almost all its citizens lived in poverty.

[minestrone]

In 1985 India's GDP was about half of the UKs, today it's about 90%.

That can really be down to their population growth, but when per head it's still about 5% of ours it not exactly a productive nation.

Anyways how is the running going? You still pushing out 5ks in 35 minutes?