Brexit DOOM™: No flight zone

[Mordac]

"Ryanair 'will have to suspend UK flights' without early Brexit aviation deal

Falling back on WTO rules without a bilateral arrangement would be ‘disastrous’, says airline’s finance chief

Ryanair has warned it will have to halt flights from the UK for “weeks or months” if Theresa May does not seal an early bilateral Brexit deal on international aviation.

The suspension of flights from Stansted and other airports is “a very distinct possibility”, the company’s chief financial officer, Neil Sorahan, told the Guardian.

Ryanair, a Dublin-based company, is legally allowed to operate out of the UK under a Europe-wide “open skies” regulation that allows all EU airlines and those in Morocco, Iceland, Norway and Switzerland to fly in and out of any country signed up to the pact

The open skies policy binds members to regulatory oversight by the European court of justice and to freedom of movement, two red lines for the government in Brexit talks.

But Sorahan says that even if May changed her stance, Ryanair has to make contingency plans as the EU has said there can be no Brexit deal until all parts of the arrangement are agreed.

“Europe has been very clear in recent days that no deals are going to be put in place, they are not planning to put any special deals in place,” said Sorahan.

“If there was a cliff-edge scenario with World Trade Organisation rules and no bilateral on open skies in place, there is a distinct possibility that there will be no flights for a period of time between Europe and the UK"

Source: https://www.theguardian.com/business...rexit-deal-wto

It's ok, pensioners who voted for Brexit don't intend to fly anywhere anyway.

It's doubly OK, contractors don't fly Ryanair.

Serious question: How many European airlines are going to lose out massively if this actually happens? Answer, all of them. I can't think of a European flag carrier who doesn't fly to the UK. They would go f**king mental.
Serious conclusion: The folk running Ryanair are full of tulip. I'm sure the EU believe they have the power to shut down UK airspace, and Ryanair want to scare us all into believing that for some reason, but they don't, so it won't happen.

[diseasex]

It's doubly OK, contractors don't fly Ryanair.

Serious question: How many European airlines are going to lose out massively if this actually happens? Answer, all of them. I can't think of a European flag carrier who doesn't fly to the UK. They would go f**king mental.
Serious conclusion: The folk running Ryanair are full of tulip. I'm sure the EU believe they have the power to shut down UK airspace, and Ryanair want to scare us all into believing that for some reason, but they don't, so it won't happen.

Providing there's deal. In the meantime govt is working on passport color. Tick tick tick

[squarepeg]

It's doubly OK, contractors don't fly Ryanair.

Serious question: How many European airlines are going to lose out massively if this actually happens? Answer, all of them. I can't think of a European flag carrier who doesn't fly to the UK. They would go f**king mental.
Serious conclusion: The folk running Ryanair are full of tulip. I'm sure the EU believe they have the power to shut down UK airspace, and Ryanair want to scare us all into believing that for some reason, but they don't, so it won't happen.

In order to benefit from the open skies policy, Ryanair has to be an EU-based carrier. Which they are, since they are based in Dublin. EasyJet has more to worry about since they are based in Luton.

EU carriers have nothing to worry about, they will still be able to fly into the UK, but UK airlines may have to sign new agreements.

[Mordac]

In order to benefit from the open skies policy, Ryanair has to be an EU-based carrier. Which they are, since they are based in Dublin. EasyJet has more to worry about since they are based in Luton.

EU carriers have nothing to worry about, they will still be able to fly into the UK, but UK airlines may have to sign new agreements.

Which proves my point - Ryanair are full of "themselves".

BA should be OK then, if IAG isn't domiciled in Madrid, it soon will be. I can just about stomach them for short haul flights. Long-haul, forget it.
Mind you, if it's that hard to get an agreement to fly into an EU destination, how come there are apparently more destinations** (mostly non-EU) with flights to and from LHR than any other airport in the world?*

*That may be out of date now, but it was something I heard not that long ago.
**That should be international destinations (e.g. non-domestic flights).

[BrilloPad]

So use sleasyjet. Problem solved.

Next!

[VectraMan]

In order to benefit from the open skies policy, Ryanair has to be an EU-based carrier. Which they are, since they are based in Dublin. EasyJet has more to worry about since they are based in Luton.

EU carriers have nothing to worry about, they will still be able to fly into the UK, but UK airlines may have to sign new agreements.

We did this a couple of weeks back. IIRC Ryanair may still have to ditch some UK shareholders to ensure it's majority EU owned to qualify, and there were question marks over Easyjet too.

The issue is where they're based. BA can fly from Heathrow to anywhere in Europe, but they wouldn't be able to operate a service from Paris to Berlin for example, only EU carriers would be allowed to do that. And EU carriers wouldn't have a problem flying to and from the UK. The big problem for RyanAir is if they're based at Stansted they can't fly between other EU airports.

I think.

[AtW]

The big problem for RyanAir is if they're based at Stansted they can't fly between other EU airports.

They could fly people to new airports just outside of EU border and call them Berlin/Paris airports...

[BrilloPad]

They could fly people to new airports just outside of EU border and call them Berlin/Paris airports...

Berlin and Paris are outside of the EU?

Have you been sniffing squirrel poo again?

[AtW]

Berlin and Paris are outside of the EU?

They will just spell them with Cyrillic letters: е and а - looks the same, but totally different place...

[VectraMan]

They could fly people to new airports just outside of EU border and call them Berlin/Paris airports...

Please board the Courtesy Bus for transport to the terminal. Journey time: 17 hours.

Slightly clearer:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...e-major-routes