Three Girls

[MrMarkyMark]

There was some suggestion that their opinion of non Muslim girls was very low and therefore they were an 'acceptable target'.

In a nutshell really.

In India it takes on a more childish but annoying tone.

Young Indian guys turning the conversation to westerners love of sex, pron and pron movies, this only ever happened when my girlfriend was actually present.

It happened on at least 10 occasions on that trip (8 months long).
A loose threat of violence usually shut them up, but not always. Sometimes moving away was the only option, difficult when you have a booked bunk on the train.

The other many times I have been to India alone, that sort of conversation has never come up.

You can make of that what you will.

[northernladyuk]

well try adding something to the argument rather than accusing everyone of racism & stupidity. Though I agree Owlhoot deserved it

I don't accuse everyone of racism and stupidity, only stupid racists

But here is a thought for you:

Muslim men are disproportionately represented in gangs that groom and abuse girls. Is this because there is something about Muslim or Pakistani etc. culture? Or is it because they are more likely to work in the night-time economy (taxis and takeaways) so have more opportunity? Or is there a mixture of these factors? It's important not to fall into a post hoc ergo propter hoc type fallacy.

It is important not to duck conversations about culture, but it is equally important not to focus on culture and ignore other factors. It is also interesting that the right-wing press wants to talk about the problem with Muslims (I paraphrase) but not the problem with men. Why is that? Is that not ducking a difficult conversation because anti-Muslim prejudice aligns with the newspapers' position, but anti-male prejudice is in opposition. If people refuse to talk about the disproportionate number of males involved as perpetrators are they not sort of tossers that let these perverts hide and the Police afraid to prosecute, and according to your reasoning 'fecking Aholes'?

Now all of that is about how we understand and discuss the problem. The other critical point where I would agree with you broadly, is that religion and race should never prevent investigation, arrest, prosecution and conviction.

Now go and have a cup of tea.

[darmstadt]

In a nutshell really.

In India it takes on a more childish but annoying tone.

Young Indian guys turning the conversation to westerners love of sex, pron and pron movies, this only ever happened when my girlfriend was actually present.

It happened on at least 10 occasions on that trip (8 months long).
A loose threat of violence usually shut them up, but not always. Sometimes moving away was the only option, difficult when you have a booked bunk on the train.

The other many times I have been to India alone, that sort of conversation has never come up.

You can make of that what you will.

"Cor, look at the knockers on that. Oi darling fancy a quickie in guards wagon?" said one of the creeps traveling in a group of (approx.) 11 white males on the Brighton to London train a short while ago to a young woman traveling alone. Wasn't the only comment from them. I think you'll find that type of thing prevalent in many societies...

[original PM]

"Cor, look at the knockers on that. Oi darling fancy a quickie in guards wagon?" said one of the creeps traveling in a group of (approx.) 11 white males on the Brighton to London train a short while ago to a young woman traveling alone. Wasn't the only comment from them. I think you'll find that type of thing prevalent in many societies...

Whilst I agree that is unacceptable ladish behaviour and can be seen as intimidating - to an extent it was really just a pish poor attempt at romantic overtures.

It is quite a distance from finding some vulnerable young girls, plying them with drugs and alcohol and then inviting your mates round for a circle jerk.

Continually and with aspirations to roam the streets for more and to continue doing it for a number of years when you know the it is against the laws of the country you are in.

[MrMarkyMark]

"Cor, look at the knockers on that. Oi darling fancy a quickie in guards wagon?" said one of the creeps traveling in a group of (approx.) 11 white males on the Brighton to London train a short while ago to a young woman traveling alone. Wasn't the only comment from them. I think you'll find that type of thing prevalent in many societies...

As you weren't there you will have to rely on me saying it was not exactly the same.

Also, you have failed to address ,with your poor analogy, why they only had those conversations with me when she was actually there.
It should be noted they didn't address any of the comments directly to her.

[MrMarkyMark]

"Cor, look at the knockers on that. Oi darling fancy a quickie in guards wagon?" said one of the creeps traveling in a group of (approx.) 11 white males on the Brighton to London train a short while ago to a young woman traveling alone. Wasn't the only comment from them. I think you'll find that type of thing prevalent in many societies...

Like this you mean

“Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them. Good women are obedient. They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them.” — Qur’an 4:34

[filthy1980]

[QUOTE=northernladyuk;2417900]I don't accuse everyone of racism and stupidity, only stupid racists

[QUOTE]

I'm glad you stopped using Asian, not all brown people have the same culture

[vetran]

I don't accuse everyone of racism and stupidity, only stupid racists

But here is a thought for you:

Muslim men are disproportionately represented in gangs that groom and abuse girls. Is this because there is something about Muslim or Pakistani etc. culture? Or is it because they are more likely to work in the night-time economy (taxis and takeaways) so have more opportunity? Or is there a mixture of these factors? It's important not to fall into a post hoc ergo propter hoc type fallacy.

It is important not to duck conversations about culture, but it is equally important not to focus on culture and ignore other factors. It is also interesting that the right-wing press wants to talk about the problem with Muslims (I paraphrase) but not the problem with men. Why is that? Is that not ducking a difficult conversation because anti-Muslim prejudice aligns with the newspapers' position, but anti-male prejudice is in opposition. If people refuse to talk about the disproportionate number of males involved as perpetrators are they not sort of tossers that let these perverts hide and the Police afraid to prosecute, and according to your reasoning 'fecking Aholes'?

Now all of that is about how we understand and discuss the problem. The other critical point where I would agree with you broadly, is that religion and race should never prevent investigation, arrest, prosecution and conviction.

Now go and have a cup of tea.

I have addressed both issues, there are other nationalities, religions & nationalities heavily involved in the night time economy they do not seem to be appearing in court. Abuse was done at night and the people were NOT working. The other people involved were also from the same culture so the abusers shared amongst their own.

This seems to be an issue in certain cultures and needs addressing, as I say if they were catholic priests I would expect it to be investigated. There is no suggestion that the wider Muslim community are involved but a small minority obviously are.

I don't recall many Chinese/Italian(Pizza),American(Hamburgers & stretch limos),English(Fish & Chips) based grooming gangs but maybe the police are protecting them as well?

Mini Cab London - Polish Taxi London - Polish MiniCab - Airport


We had the Police saying 90% of ATM crimes are caused by X nationals and they were told off.

https://fullfact.org/europe/over-her...-90-atm-crime/

Europol supported the French, Romania and Spain police forces to arrest them.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/newsro...led-in-romania

Now if the British Police had concentrated on that lead would they have been behind bars earlier?

If Origin is a key feature of the criminal gang makeup then we need to prove its not relevant.

Good on your last statement

2 sugars Darling!

[northernladyuk]

[QUOTE=filthy1980;2417924][QUOTE=northernladyuk;2417900]I don't accuse everyone of racism and stupidity, only stupid racists

I'm glad you stopped using Asian, not all brown people have the same culture

Not all brown people are Asian.

[OwlHoot]

You are a feckwit.

Did you watch the program?

Do you know any teachers, social workers, youth workers, doctors, nurses etc who deal with children particularly with child protection? If so go and have a serious conversation with them about why the child in these cases does see what happened to them is wrong and why that child is are behaving like they are.

OK, I concede the 48 hour rule wouldn't be appropriate for infants and young kids, and I suppose Vikings lived in simple villages and dwellings where there was little if any privacy. So maybe for them child abuse would have been inevitably detected by adults, and the situation you refer to wouldn't arise.

But I still maintain it is unjust and unacceptable to entertain complaints from an adult or teenager who delays months or years, even decades sometimes, before revealing their abuse. Apart from anything else, it's an open invitation for false allegations, which I'm sure a lot of these "historic" abuse claims are.