Kicking off on London Bridge

[vetran]

Unless you can invent a time-machine we are, where we are.

indeed despite many saying our direction was wrong and being accused of being racists.

Some serious issues are being caused by immigration & lack of integration. We need to deal with this sensibly & firmly.

Many complained unrestricted immigration of bad people was a bad idea, not deporting illegals was another. Failing to deal with hate preachers & prison conditions also have also been proven poor choices.

[Paddy]

They shouted “this is for Allah” as they stabbed women. Clearly the main targets in Manchester and London are young women enjoying themselves, something that is strongly preached against in Mosques. Something has to be done against the preaching against western culture.

[PurpleGorilla]

Kicking off on London Bridge

Islamic extremism must become socially unacceptable like smoking and drink driving.

The brutal truth is far too many Muslims are sympathetic to Islamic extremism.

There needs cultural and social change to make this far far smaller in scale.

There is a legislative role to play, and not just banning burkas.

We have build one of the most socially integrated multicultural societies in the world. You either integrate and accept this, or you are not welcome.

[darmstadt]

Islamic extremism must become socially unacceptable like smoking and drink driving.

The brutal truth is far too many Muslims are sympathetic to

Stop ******* funding them then, maybe a vote for the Tories is a vote for further extremism:

An investigation into the foreign funding and support of jihadi groups that was authorised by David Cameron may never be published, the Home Office has admitted.

The inquiry into revenue streams for extremist groups operating in the UK was commissioned by the former prime minister and is thought to focus on Saudi Arabia, which has repeatedly been highlighted by European leaders as a funding source for Islamist jihadis.

....

"As home secretary at the time, your department was one of those leading on the report. Eighteen months later, and following two horrific terrorist attacks by British-born citizens, that report still remains incomplete and unpublished.

“It is no secret that Saudi Arabia in particular provides funding to hundreds of mosques in the UK, espousing a very hardline Wahhabist interpretation of Islam. It is often in these institutions that British extremism takes root.”

The contents of the report may prove politically as well as legally sensitive. Saudi Arabia, which has been a funding source for fundamentalist Islamist preachers and mosques, was visited by May earlier this year.

Last December, a leaked report from Germany’s federal intelligence service accused several Gulf groups of funding religious schools and radical Salafist preachers in mosques, calling it “a long-term strategy of influence”.

[NotAllThere]

Lets not jump to conclusions

Indeed. I'm sure it was just a stag do gone out of control. Nothing to do with anyone associated with any particular religion wildly stabbing innocent passers by. That would be ridiculous.

Even at 11:00pm last night it was pretty obvious that it was caused by Islamists, given the modus operandum. Seems perfectly reasonable to jump to that conclusion. On the BBC early this morning, they were reporting an eye-witness who said the pathetic low-lifes were saying "This is for Allah" as they stabbed easy targets. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your world view that the fact that these attacks are being carried out by Muslims is being suppressed.

The only reason it isn't said officially at an early juncture is just on the off-chance that it is wrong - that would cause all sorts of problems, which the Islamists would love as well, playing into the world view they try to propagate, that Muslims are all victims. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7771071.html

[original PM]

Even at 11:00pm last night it was pretty obvious that it was caused by Islamists, given the modus operandum. Seems perfectly reasonable to jump to that conclusion. On the BBC early this morning, they were reporting an eye-witness who said the pathetic low-lifes were saying "This is for Allah" as they stabbed easy targets. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your world view that the fact that these attacks are being carried out by Muslims is being suppressed.

The only reason it isn't said officially at an early juncture is just on the off-chance that it is wrong - that would cause all sorts of problems, which the Islamists would love as well, playing into the world view they try to propagate, that Muslims are all victims. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7771071.html

It is difficult.

You have a few people randomly stabbing people saying this is for allah.

And you have a significant amount of people going to pray for allah 5 ? times a day.

[Troll]

Not quite a typically English background though....

Reid was born in Bromley, Kent,[2] to Lesley Hughes, who was of white English descent, and Colvin Robin Reid, a man of mixed race whose father was a Jamaican immigrant.[3] When Reid was born, his father, a career criminal, was in prison for stealing a car.

I'd say Lesley made a poor life choice in her partner, but so many white women seem to like edgy geezers

[squarepeg]

Even at 11:00pm last night it was pretty obvious that it was caused by Islamists, given the modus operandum. Seems perfectly reasonable to jump to that conclusion. On the BBC early this morning, they were reporting an eye-witness who said the pathetic low-lifes were saying "This is for Allah" as they stabbed easy targets. Sorry if that doesn't fit in with your world view that the fact that these attacks are being carried out by Muslims is being suppressed.

Nobody wants a lynch mob delivering "justice". Riots anyone? That's why certain things are being suppressed.

Yes, the reports suggest that the perpetrators were using Islam to justify their actions, but I don't think they had learned the practical skills required to kill and maim dozens of people in their local mosques. Somebody had trained them, paid their bills, brainwashed them not to care for human life.

[NotAllThere]

Nobody wants a lynch mob delivering "justice". Riots anyone? That's why certain things are being suppressed...

I don't think they are being suppressed (though it would be helpful to use the word Islamist more often, especially from politicians). It appears that some people have problems if the majority response isn't one of hysterical violence. Probably because they would really like for lynch mobs to deliver so-called justice.

[motoukenin]

Unfortunately we have to get away from the idea that British born equals British values. We need to face reality, so far the British born terrorists have been of immigrant parents. They were born in the UK but brought up with values from their country of origin. Maybe there should be a change in the law to change the statues of immigrant families and their children.

When we understand the why not just the how we can then start to fix the problem