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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostEffectively the Tories are now a "Zombie" government with no credible way forward. If they go Soft Brexit they'll lose support to UKIP, if they continue Hard Brexit they'll continue to bleed to Labour.Comment
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I'm alright JackComment
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post“Brexit is having a wee in the middle of the room at a house party because nobody is talking to you, and then complaining about the smell.”Comment
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Originally posted by jamesbrown View PostYup. The outcome has superficially increased the probability of a "softer" Brexit, but has substantially increased the probability of a car crash. I don't believe a central option was ever available from the EU27 (they will never compromise on the four freedoms, and why should they?), but May is now caught between a rock (no Parliamentary majority for her White Paper) and a hard place (a small minority can easily precipitate the collapse of any confidence and supply arrangement). There's no mandate for a "soft" Brexit or a "hard" Brexit, and no mandate for Remain. A crashy car beckons, I fear. But what's the alternative; a swift Tory leadership election, GE, and a credible prospect of Korbyn? A Korbyn gov't will make Brexit look like a sideshow. I don't see a clear route out. Sometimes democracy is stupid (or, rather, the swivel-eyed remainers and leavers are two sides of the same coin ).
A "car crash" is a sh*tty EEA deal with truce to put off the "Hard/Soft Brexit" into the future.
You are quite right that the EU won't compromise on the FOM and they will be offering the UK EEA or nothing. Only a significant Tory majority could resist by at least temporarily allowing the borders to close to show they mean business. That is now not an option and will bring the government crashing down. Corbyn in interviews has always said his priority is to avoid no deal, and when push comes to shove there is a majority in parliament for whatever interim arrangement isshoved down the UK's throatoffered.
I'm alright JackComment
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
I think what gets forgotten is that for the most part apathy rules okay. Remainers, who by definition are moderate, haven't exactly risen up to fight the oppressors, as much as some of us might have hoped. They largely accept it and can't be bothered with another argument. The majority of Brexit voters won't be any different; Corbyn could commit to Brexit but make it a low priority, "Now's not the time to risk the economy" or something similar, and it could bumble on a few more years before and everyone but the hard line Brexiteers lose interest.
You can say "no mandate for remaining", but maintaining the status quo doesn't require a mandate.Will work inside IR35. Or for food.Comment
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"Now's not the time to risk the economy" is an okay stop-gap. What I would prefer to see is a number of Brexit options, costed and forecasted 10-20 years into the future, so that we can all clearly see which option(s) have clear economic and/or social benefits and which ones don't. Preferably issued by an independent assessor (London School of Economics?).
Surely after a year since the referendum there's something more tangible available from the government than "trust us"?Comment
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Originally posted by BlasterBates View PostDepends what you mean by "car crash".
A "car crash" is a sh*tty EEA deal with truce to put off the "Hard/Soft Brexit" into the future.
You are quite right that the EU won't compromise on the FOM and they will be offering the UK EEA or nothing. Only a significant Tory majority could resist by at least temporarily allowing the borders to close to show they mean business. That is now not an option and will bring the government crashing down. Corbyn in interviews has always said his priority is to avoid no deal, and when push comes to shove there is a majority in parliament for whatever interim arrangement isshoved down the UK's throatoffered.
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Corbyn is ready to bring down the Tories."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostCorbyn is ready to bring down the Tories.
This could be used to help them get their driving test passed, their first car, the first year's insurance, the latest phone, and a decent holiday before plunging into the workplace.
Cheaper than Corbyn's write-off of all tuition fees and a guaranteed way to dupe the gullible Millenials into voting Tory.
Sorted.
“The period of the disintegration of the European Union has begun. And the first vessel to have departed is Britain”Comment
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