The Tory party are about to split

[malvolio]

No I don't. Things are a mess, Corbyn represents the least worst option.

If I wanted to make things worse, I'd throw my weight behind Boris as PM.

With levels of ignorance like that, no wonder we're in a mess. Then again, using the Guardian* as a source, it's little wonder you are confused

Now go away and read the Labour manifesto properly, paying attention to what it doesn't say, then read up what it was like trying to make a living in the mid-70s. I've been there, I'm not going back.



* btw - anyone actually given to the Grauniad's charity fund to keep it alive? If so, why?

[AtW]

* btw - anyone actually given to the Grauniad's charity fund to keep it alive? If so, why?

Bought paper subscription for our office - the Guardian is probably the last decent reasonably balanced newspaper left in Britain, needs support.

[VectraMan]

Absolutely, and it won't be long before the Guardian itself folds as they've been losing tens of millions of pounds each year and have been sacking all their experienced journalists.

Probably. They should get into the "telling people what they want to hear" business like the other newspapers.

(a) Now Article 50 has been triggered, we'd have to renegotiate our EU membership terms if we decided to stay, and the new terms would be dire.

All of which highlights how unbelievably dumb Brexiteers are. Though I doubt what you say is actually true. Plenty of time to about ship.

(b) Labour, who would win the election in the event of a Tory split, are just as committed to Brexit.

Maybe. Socialists hate free market economics and trading blocks as well, though probably for different reasons than the über-right wing. But I think Labour has more moderates in its ranks than the Tories at the moment. I think in both cases the intelligent moderate politicians are now all desperately trying to work out how they can take control and avoid the disaster that is Brexit without losing the idiot vote in the process. Philip Hammond, who is quite an unimpressive politician on the whole, may yet be the best hope to save the UK.

I guess I'm part of the middle class professional voters who voted for Labour. I'm pretty shocked; don't believe in Corbyn at all. But no power in the verse would make me vote for UKIP2.

[OwlHoot]

Yup - reading comments was often the best part...

Often, but there were also the tedious obsessed axe grinders, like the Remainers here.

[OwlHoot]

If in the next election campaign TM simply stole Labour's lunch and made a manifesto pledge to write off all this debt then she'd sweep to victory with a massive majority, and Corbyn and co, and the treacherous backstabbing Tory Remainers, would be left flapping in the sand like a lot of beached halibuts after a tsunami!

She could use the £100 billion we're supposed to give the EU as a divorce settlement, and tell them to whistle for the money.

That would be killing two birds with one stone, and she'd walk the next election (which by the sound of it isn't far off).

The snag is she'd never have the bottle for a bold move like that.

[BlasterBates]

She could use the £100 billion we're supposed to give the EU as a divorce settlement, and tell them to whistle for the money.

That would be killing two birds with one stone, and she'd walk the next election (which by the sound of it isn't far off).

The snag is she'd never have the bottle for a bold move like that.

She already did, she called an election with "no deal is better than a bad deal" at the top of the manifesto. It was pretty clear they were planning to walk out of the negotiations.

It didn't work out.

[BrilloPad]

Bought paper subscription for our office - the Guardian is probably the last decent reasonably balanced newspaper left in Britain, needs support.

To be used as toilet paper? Its all it is fit for.

[BlasterBates]

The Tories are no good at negotiating

DUP sources also took aim at the lack of “negotiating experience” on the Conservative side – a serious criticism, a day after the separate Brexit talks also got underway.

You couldn't make it up

[PurpleGorilla]

The Tory party are about to split

With levels of ignorance like that, no wonder we're in a mess. Then again, using the Guardian* as a source, it's little wonder you are confused

Now go away and read the Labour manifesto properly, paying attention to what it doesn't say, then read up what it was like trying to make a living in the mid-70s. I've been there, I'm not going back.



* btw - anyone actually given to the Grauniad's charity fund to keep it alive? If so, why?

Well in the 1970's you had, North Sea Oil, and a huge amount of gold reserves.

Today the oil is running out, the gold has been sold, and the rich avoid tax.

We also have tasty levels of debt, when considering the 300 year low emergency interest rates.







Socialism looks good in Scandinavia.

Tories DNGAF about anyone but themselves.

Labour - for the many, not the few.

[malvolio]

Bought paper subscription for our office - the Guardian is probably the last decent reasonably balanced newspaper left in Britain, needs support.

You are kidding, right...