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    Arsenal owner Kroenke's hunting TV app sparks protests - BBC News

    You can make jokes about Arsenal and trophies, but killing lions and elephants with rifles is not a sport, nor should it have any place in civilised society.

    ...and no, local villagers do not eat lion or elephant meat, nor do local villagers benefit financially from billionaires flying in to kill wild animals.
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    Actually there was an amazing programme on radio 4 the other week talking to the hunter that bought the permit to kill a black rhino.

    The longest story short is: We all like looking at the 'ickle fluffy lions and big scary rhinos from the safety of a lens sat in our front room 10,000 miles away. But the facts of life that the bunny huggers will never understand is living with a grumpy +200kg lump of human killing bastard on your door step is a severe pain in the arse and one most of them would like to **** off altogether. So if you want to see these beautiful beasts survive you had better get a financial value on them damn fast so that the locals can see a reason to live with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    ...and no, local villagers do not eat lion or elephant meat, nor do local villagers benefit financially from billionaires flying in to kill wild animals.
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    So if you want to see these beautiful beasts survive you had better get a financial value on them damn fast so that the locals can see a reason to live with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobspud View Post
    Actually there was an amazing programme on radio 4 the other week talking to the hunter that bought the permit to kill a black rhino.

    The longest story short is: We all like looking at the 'ickle fluffy lions and big scary rhinos from the safety of a lens sat in our front room 10,000 miles away. But the facts of life that the bunny huggers will never understand is living with a grumpy +200kg lump of human killing bastard on your door step is a severe pain in the arse and one most of them would like to **** off altogether. So if you want to see these beautiful beasts survive you had better get a financial value on them damn fast so that the locals can see a reason to live with them.
    ...and after speaking to the hunter, did they actually speak to anyone from the villages that he was allegedly protecting?

    There's roughly 5,000 black rhino left in the world. Shooting one with a rifle is not a sport.

    Can you tell me your personal experiences in Africa with actual wild animals, or do you base your vile opinion on what you hear from hunters and what you see on your TV screen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    ...and after speaking to the hunter, did they actually speak to anyone from the villages that he was allegedly protecting?

    There's roughly 5,000 black rhino left in the world. Shooting one with a rifle is not a sport.

    Can you tell me your personal experiences in Africa with actual wild animals, or do you base your vile opinion on what you hear from hunters and what you see on your TV screen?
    My experience comes from living in the countryside and seeing what happens when you let pretty animals run around without any natural predators. Deer's are a pretty but are a complete menace due to their piss poor road sense and their habits of destroying forests by damaging the trees while eating. Everything needs a balance.

    And actually the guy that produced the program did a thorough investigation of all sides. The rhino that took the bullet was actually an old bastard that was well past effective breeding so he was no longer producing airs but was big enough and ugly enough to be seriously injuring the younger males found in his territory.

    So one old majestic and grumpy bastard dead for several hundred thousand dollars has given the government the money it needs to protect the rest and the locals know that leaving them alone is in their interest because they are worth more alive than dead for a bit if horn.

    The worlds not pretty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobspud View Post
    My experience comes from living in the countryside and seeing what happens when you let pretty animals run around without any natural predators. Deer's are a pretty but are a complete menace due to their piss poor road sense and their habits of destroying forests by damaging the trees while eating. Everything needs a balance.

    And actually the guy that produced the program did a thorough investigation of all sides. The rhino that took the bullet was actually an old bastard that was well past effective breeding so he was no longer producing airs but was big enough and ugly enough to be seriously injuring the younger males found in his territory.

    So one old majestic and grumpy bastard dead for several hundred thousand dollars has given the government the money it needs to protect the rest and the locals know that leaving them alone is in their interest because they are worth more alive than dead for a bit if horn.

    The worlds not pretty.
    So, you believe the shooting of one old rhino is justification to shoot all wild animals?

    As for your experience of living in the countryside, do you have any understanding of why the deer population in the UK (particularly in Scotland) is so high?
    It's not that they have no natural predators, it's that hunters decided to kill off all their predators.
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    Cost of the 2015 licence to shoot a black rhino: $350,000
    Fine for poaching a black rhino: $100,000.

    But you'd better kill them all quick before the prices go up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    It's not that they have no natural predators, it's that hunters decided to kill off all their predators.
    Their predators were also a problem for us and so quite naturally we being an apex species solved that problem.

    I'd be perfectly fine with some little animal sanctuary re-introducing wolfs and wild boar back into the country side but I'm not sure your average luvvie from pick a city would be too impressed if little Tristan or India got gored in the middle of the night while on their way to take a piss from their Glamping tent. It would certainly make Glastonbury a bit more interesting

    Am I saying any of it is right?? No but I am saying there needs to be a more pragmatic view because expecting some poor bloody tribe to walk around with Rhino's and Lions on their door step causing chaos while being stone broke and hungry is rank stupidity. So you need to find a way to incentivise them to become more attached to the things that can kill them or ruin their crops.

    Because right now if we lose those species the tears will flood out of the coffee shops of the world but the people that have had them on their door steps will be quite relieved that there is nothing left to kill them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobspud View Post
    Their predators were also a problem for us and so quite naturally we being an apex species solved that problem.

    Solved one problem but created a new one, do you see that? Kill off one species then complain that the next one down the food chain is growing too quickly. Better kill all of them off too!

    Quote Originally Posted by bobspud View Post
    I am saying there needs to be a more pragmatic view because expecting some poor bloody tribe to walk around with Rhino's and Lions on their door step causing chaos while being stone broke and hungry is rank stupidity. So you need to find a way to incentivise them to become more attached to the things that can kill them or ruin their crops.

    Because right now if we lose those species the tears will flood out of the coffee shops of the world but the people that have had them on their door steps will be quite relieved that there is nothing left to kill them.
    That's your opinion but it's based on a reality that does not reflect the world outside your limited view. You seem to be of the misguided opinion that lions and rhino spend their days in villages trying to find people to kill, or destroying everything.
    You seem to think that every African villager is stone broke and hungry.
    You seem to have a lot of opinions, but you've yet to mention that you yourself have set foot in an African village.

    Did you know that Kenyans make more money from tourism than from poaching?
    Did you know that while one guide in a village might make a little money from taking foreign hunters in to kill animals in the bush, most of the money those hunters pay does not go anywhere near that village.


    So while you spew forth your bile based on the murders you agree with, and you hold on to their lies like it is the truth, here's a picture of a black rhino cow with calf...
    As you can see, it's a tiny creature that requires a great deal of skill to murder. Oh, and that photo was taken by me, while I was supporting a local village. But you're not interested in that, you want to continue the brutality and continue to support wiping out species because money is the key to everything in you shallow existence.
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    Actually WTFH that is a distortion of the facts.

    I've had more than one discussion on game hunting including with Saffers.

    The reason for it is that unfortunately humans have destroyed most of the natural habitat therefore the animals that are left live in reserves with fences around them. The reserves can only support so many inhabitants and so the old or sick animals will have to be culled or will be killed by the young animals of their species. To make sure there is enough money to support them they allow people to pay large sums to shoot them.

    This is similar to what the Royal Parks do with deer in London every year. Though at the moment they have to pay to cull the deer. Likewise one of the universities I went to with a rabbit problem has to pay to get the rabbits culled. The university does it on the quiet because it would upset the snowflake undergraduates. Funny thing is none of the postgraduates were bothered.
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