So will we vilify these people for claiming?

[original PM]

Grenfell death toll may fall as 'fraudsters have invented missing loved ones'

For trying to make money out of other people's grief?

Or just blame the Tories?

[DimPrawn]

Or just blame the Tories?

^ This

Rich people cause all suffering, 'innit?

[Whorty]

Grenfell death toll may fall as 'fraudsters have invented missing loved ones'

For trying to make money out of other people's grief?

Or just blame the Tories?

It's all the fault of the Tories and the Police. Chap being interviewed on the news tonight blamed the police for flats being looted since the fire, but didn't condemn the thieves. Some of these communities need to look at themselves and stop blaming others.

[northernladyuk]

It's all the fault of the Tories and the Police. Chap being interviewed on the news tonight blamed the police for flats being looted since the fire, but didn't condemn the thieves. Some of these communities need to look at themselves and stop blaming others.

Collective guilt for communities? You charmer.

[WTFH]

So will we vilify these people for claiming?

You need to blame the individuals responsible. Think of them the same away you think of white people who kill others, and not the way you think of Muslims who do the same.

[SueEllen]

It's all the fault of the Tories and the Police. Chap being interviewed on the news tonight blamed the police for flats being looted since the fire, but didn't condemn the thieves. Some of these communities need to look at themselves and stop blaming others.

Some of the thieves are expected to people involved in the clean up. One flat allegedly had stuff missing. All the items except the money were found in the storage facilities that they are using.

In regards to "the communities needing to look at themselves " - one of the complaints before they put security in place was people coming onto the grounds and taking selfies. They never stated where these people came from but as I know lots of people in the SE have passed the tower on their travels than the people could be absolutely anyone.

[bobspud]

It was far too tempting not to do something like this. No different to any other white-collar crime.

The only thing I don't like is the fact that someone had to rake around looking for a phantom corpse or dozen in that helming hole.

[Lance]

It's all the fault of the Tories and the Police. Chap being interviewed on the news tonight blamed the police for flats being looted since the fire, but didn't condemn the thieves. Some of these communities need to look at themselves and stop blaming others.

It's part of the growing culture of victimhood.

It's not their fault that their home burnt down and killed most of their neighbours and family, and I suspect some prison sentences as the inquiry finds out what happened. All very sad.

It just seems that being a victim becomes a life-defining event for some people. Or is that just the way it gets reported?
I see it in other walks of life. "I'm a <insert a reason>, therefore you must all make special efforts for me.". Which is fine but I've seen people become nothing other than an extension of <whatever it was>, and cease to be themselves any longer. Which I suppose is also fine as a personal choice, but it's not for me. I want to be defined by what I do, who I am and where I want to go. Defined by me, not by events that happen to me.

/philosophy

[original PM]

It's part of the growing culture of victimhood.

It's not their fault that their home burnt down and killed most of their neighbours and family, and I suspect some prison sentences as the inquiry finds out what happened. All very sad.

It just seems that being a victim becomes a life-defining event for some people. Or is that just the way it gets reported?
I see it in other walks of life. "I'm a <insert a reason>, therefore you must all make special efforts for me.". Which is fine but I've seen people become nothing other than an extension of <whatever it was>, and cease to be themselves any longer. Which I suppose is also fine as a personal choice, but it's not for me. I want to be defined by what I do, who I am and where I want to go. Defined by me, not by events that happen to me.

/philosophy

Being a victim gets you money and beats working.

Also many of these people have been bought up to believe they are 'disadvantaged' and 'victims of the ills of society' and so it's a role they fit into nicely.

[original PM]

It was far too tempting not to do something like this. No different to any other white-collar crime.

The only thing I don't like is the fact that someone had to rake around looking for a phantom corpse or dozen in that helming hole.

No - no it wasn't - really we are in the 21st century - do we really still think it is acceptable to scrabble through the charred remains of our neighbours in the hope of finding something new and shiny?

No it is not and this is why it should be cracked down on - it's is uncivilised and it is barbaric and has absolutely no place in 21st century Britain.