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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    CityLink went bust. You are now talking about Hermes, DPD and other couriers plus companies like Pimilico Plumbers. As far as I'm concerned anyone who wears or drives around in another company's logoed kit is not self-employed.
    Problem is if the driver buys their own vehicle and sells it back to the company as a service, chances are they are not an employee. According to the case that started this mess...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ready_...onal_Insurance

    but to bring this forward to this century...

    Imagine this scenario:

    Sort out a preferential rate for van hire
    Make daily van rentals available to potential drivers that sign up to work with your brand.
    Create an Application that each night publishes your delivery routes

    The driver choses the only the ones they are interested in and they are assigned based on whoever is closest to that route that day. rates for the route go up or down depending on demand.

    The driver accepts the days routes turns up at the depot collects the packages and is free to reconfigure the route to suit themselves.

    Now the driver has no Mutuality of obligation because they are free to hire the vans as they need them
    They are free to swap packages between them if they think it better suits a route.
    They don't personally have to drive the route themselves and if their partner wishes to share the work thats their choice....

    all that is required is proof of the packages being delivered within the timeframe of the delivery.

    I think that van driver is in a better state than anyone working in a bank thought the strategic supplier....

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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    CityLink went bust. You are now talking about Hermes, DPD and other couriers plus companies like Pimilico Plumbers. As far as I'm concerned anyone who wears or drives around in another company's logoed kit is not self-employed.
    That seems bizarre, as I seen a CityLink van two days ago. Perhaps they sold their fleet vehicles.

    Exactly, those companies benefit, but the individual really does not see to benefit at all from the arrangement. If all similar companies enforce the same structure there is no choice for the individual if they wish to pursue working as a delivery driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by contractorinatractor View Post
    That seems bizarre, as I seen a CityLink van two days ago. Perhaps they sold their fleet vehicles.

    Exactly, those companies benefit, but the individual really does not see to benefit at all from the arrangement. If all similar companies enforce the same structure there is no choice for the individual if they wish to pursue working as a delivery driver.
    Are you in Scotland? There is a company called Scottish CityLink. Any other company calling themselves CityLink what be careful to ensure they aren't associated with the nationwide firm that went bust.

    In regards to the couriers the Taylor report gives recommendations that makes it clear they aren't self-employed due to driving logoed vans and/or only working for them. A lot of other European countries have similar laws to what the report recommends.

    Contractors can escape either due to have skills that are in short supply or having to have more than one customer per year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    Are you in Scotland? There is a company called Scottish CityLink. Any other company calling themselves CityLink what be careful to ensure they aren't associated with the nationwide firm that went bust.

    In regards to the couriers the Taylor report gives recommendations that makes it clear they aren't self-employed due to driving logoed vans and/or only working for them. A lot of other European countries have similar laws to what the report recommends.

    Contractors can escape either due to have skills that are in short supply or having to have more than one customer per year.
    It's that more than one customer per year. So what happens when the project is longer than a year?
    Rule Number 1 - Assuming that you have a valid contract in place always try to get your poo onto your timesheet, provided that the timesheet is valid for your current contract and covers the period of time that you are billing for.

    I preferred version 1!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SueEllen View Post
    As far as I'm concerned anyone who wears or drives around in another company's logoed kit is not self-employed.
    What about franchises?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoredBloke View Post
    It's that more than one customer per year. So what happens when the project is longer than a year?
    There are 7 days in the week and 24 hours in a day. This means you can have a mixture of full time and part time clients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance View Post
    What about franchises?
    The set up is different as you find the customers/clients.
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