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    Quote Originally Posted by vetran View Post
    WTFH - The point made about a growing elderly population is significant as they are a significant part of the cost and its going to get much worse. Action is needed now to solve it.
    I agree with you, which is why the comments about “they’ve already paid for it over 50 years when they worked” provide no solution to the problem. The money needs to be found today for the costs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetran View Post
    the figures on the graphs were adjusted for inflation. It says it at the bottom.

    Obviously voting for the MRLP or the greens means you can't read.

    If you read them we spend in real times far more than we did, we spend about average in the EU as a percentage. Lower than France & Germany but we still get worse outcomes.
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    How dense are you exactly? Do you really need it to be spelt out to you that other factors (such as reduced social care spending and general public health spending) have increased demand for NHS services more than 1.5%?




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    we spend about average in the EU as a percentage.
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    So no its not a cut. If I go into the boss and ask for a 20% pay cut and walk out with 5% and inflation is 3% you have not had a pay cut. Labour threw billions at the problem unfortunately we didn't have those billions, Labour borrowed them we are still paying them off.
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    Ya see the NHS budget is exactly the same as when you go into your boss and ask for a raise
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    Typical Tory misunderstanding and simplism of economics.



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    Labour threw billions at the problem unfortunately we didn't have those billions, Labour borrowed them we are still paying them off.
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    You understand that governments can literally print money don't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    The money needs to be found today for the costs.
    Indeed. Time for the current working generations to step up to the plate and provide this cash then.

    This might come a lot more naturally to a great many of them if they were not such a mollycoddled self-indulgent selection of ingrates.

    Those being asked to foot this bill on behalf of the generations that raised them into such a privileged society might want to spend some time reflecting upon the huge debt that they owe in this regard.

    They have been born into a free western society where war, disease, and hunger are pretty much things of the past.

    They have been offered educational opportunities that their forebears could only have dreamed about. And whilst spending 2-3 days a week scraping a pass in some worthless Degree Course, they run up prodigious bills which they will, in all probability never repay.

    One wonders what the fallout will be when it inevitably transpires that THEIR children find out that they have inherited this Bill in years to come?

    Yet despite all of this, they consistently carp about the hopelessness of their plight whilst routinely taking "Gap Years" to "Find Themselves".

    Ironically, the costs of this are regularly footed by the very generation that they now routinely castigate as the root cause of their predicament when it really boils down to the fact that they have never been required to make any concessions or compromises, and are thus ill-prepared to face the challenges that lie ahead of them.

    They feel they have some right to spend all of their money enlarging their earlobes and upgrading their phones whilst festooning themselves with a predictable selection of puerile tattoos.

    This sense of entitlement is reinforced by the selfish opinions of like-minded imbeciles, the sort that they make sure to surround themselves with on their little whining entitlement bubbles on Facebook etc.

    Come on snowflakes, you can run but you cannot hide. Time to MTFU and put your puny shoulders to the wheel.
    Some of us Boomers have incontinence issues looming and botties won't wipe themselves you know!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiggat View Post
    How dense are you exactly? Do you really need it to be spelt out to you that other factors (such as reduced social care spending and general public health spending) have increased demand for NHS services more than 1.5%?






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    Typical Tory misunderstanding and simplism of economics.




    You understand that governments can literally print money don't you?

    so a reduction in the rise of spending is a vicious cut. As pointed out above we spent close to the EU average and still have worse outcomes.

    Thing about budgets is that they get cut every year in private enterprise. People make do with less and do more.

    The NHS needs reform not feeding more money. This panic happens every year and the NHS tries to use it to hit the government over the head.

    If we have bed blockers then do something about them, maybe drop them off at the council office with a few off duty nurses during a quiet period? Make sure the press are invited.

    printing money is effective devaluing the currency and borrowing off the savers. Yes your pension will be worth less. Sorry if that is hard to understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vetran View Post
    so a reduction in the rise of spending is a vicious cut. As pointed out above we spent close to the EU average and still have worse outcomes.

    Thing about budgets is that they get cut every year in private enterprise. People make do with less and do more.

    The NHS needs reform not feeding more money. This panic happens every year we have had a tory government and the NHS tries to use it to hit the government over the head.

    If we have bed blockers then do something about them, maybe drop them off at the council office with a few off duty nurses during a quiet period? Make sure the press are invited.
    Yes the government acts in a way that increases the demand on the NHS whilst keeping the budget the same, that constitutes a cut, can you really not put two and two together?
    I would call anything that constitutes taking away healthcare as vicious, I wouldn't expect a Tory to understand that however.#

    "bed blockers" are a direct consequence of cutting the social care budget

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    printing money is effective devaluing the currency and borrowing off the savers. Yes your pension will be worth less. Sorry if that is hard to understand.
    I can't be bothered to educate you more than your Daily Mail informed opinion, here's a good textbook: http://irfanlal.yolasite.com/resourc...%20%202009.pdf

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