Official British Anti Russian propaganda thread

[northernladyuk]

Yes - because there were 9 SAA helicopters unaccounted for at the time. (same section you posted)

That is not what the report states at all. More Russo-Syrian dissembling I fear. The report states (my emboldening):

The Government informed the
Mechanism that 15 helicopters had been left behind at Taftanaz airbase, 9 of
which had been deemed operational.
 The Leadership Panel reviewed all the information gathered and found no
evidence that armed opposition groups in Sarmin had been operating a
helicopter at the time and location of the incident.

[northernladyuk]

I never said anything about a full recovery - I'm just amazed he's still alive at all if the Russians are behind it.

Your fellow traveller stated there was a Full Recovery. I challenged it. You replied to my challenge with a switch. It's OK - we've come to expect this from the Chemical Alis.

[Jog On]

That is not what the report states at all. More Russo-Syrian dissembling I fear. The report states (my emboldening):

The report also states:

However, the Mechanism obtained information from other sources that
corroborates witness statements of Syrian Arab Armed Forces helicopter flights
on the date and at the time of the incident.

More Colin Powell - GWB-Tony Blairesque dissembling I suspect. It's 'he said/she'said' and inconclusive like the whole report.

[Jog On]

Your fellow traveller stated there was a Full Recovery. I challenged it. You replied to my challenge with a switch. It's OK - we've come to expect this from the Chemical Alis.

Yes he said full recovery which you are grasping to now, I chimed in to say that it's farcical to think that if they wanted him dead he'd be stone dead and not making good progress. I was speaking contextually, you're being pedantic because that's all you've got.

[AtW]

Don't know for sure but I never said he was an angel. My position is still critical of our foreign policy and fake news (Iraq WMD) stories.

The Litvinenko looks a lot more like a professional job, this Skripal thing is a clusterfudge and if they wanted him dead he'd be dead...

Do you believe Russian intelligence assassins would do something like this in the way it's been done? Or would it have been more Litvinenko style?

Yes of course, Russian intelligence assassins would do exactly something like this, nobody else (with such capabilities) does such things in 1st world foreign countries against "traitors".

Poison is traditional favourite KGB way of killing abroad, they are known for it. Litvinenko was killed with Polonium-210 that was only detected because of British expertise - it turned out that IF you know what to look for then the damn thing leaves detectable trail behind, so they had to stop using it (and it was used before more than once in unexplained death in Russia with same symptoms as Litvinenko). So they had to get new poison and got caught again, what's so surprising? It fits perfectly pattern of behavior that is well established not just in the last 15 years of Putin, but over much longer period during the Soviet Union.

KGB reserves their right to kill current or ex Soviet/Russian citizens anywhere on the planet as they see fit.

[AtW]

Yes he said full recovery which you are grasping to now, I chimed in to say that it's farcical to think that if they wanted him dead he'd be stone dead and not making good progress. I was speaking contextually, you're being pedantic because that's all you've got.

If you did bother to read up on nerve agents you'd know that they were designed as WMD rather than targeted assassination - it's very difficult to measure amount that would only kill target rather than a lot more people (which would obviously complicate matters for the assassins, especially on foreign soil and especially given that it's a banned chemical weapon). They obviously knew the danger of putting too much and did not use big enough amount, otherwise first responders would have dropped dead too (that police officer got hit even in current situation, had he died the fallout would have been much bigger).

[tarbera]

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Your fellow traveller stated there was a Full Recovery. I challenged it. You replied to my challenge with a switch. It's OK - we've come to expect this from the Chemical Alis.

he has probably been awake for the last 10 days, but did not suit the UK to say so

[Jog On]

Yes of course, Russian intelligence assassins would do exactly something like this, nobody else (with such capabilities) does such things in 1st world foreign countries against "traitors".

Poison is traditional favourite KGB way of killing abroad, they are known for it. Litvinenko was killed with Polonium-210 that was only detected because of British expertise - it turned out that IF you know what to look for then the damn thing leaves detectable trail behind, so they had to stop using it (and it was used before more than once in unexplained death in Russia with same symptoms as Litvinenko). So they had to get new poison and got caught again, what's so surprising? It fits perfectly pattern of behavior that is well established not just in the last 15 years of Putin, but over much longer period during the Soviet Union.

KGB reserves their right to kill current or ex Soviet/Russian citizens anywhere on the planet as they see fit.

With you on all of that - but are they really that incompetent to get him - his daughter - a copper - and not even kill any of them? That's the point I'm making - not whether they have the capacity to do something like this but if they are so shoddy and careless and completely ineffective...

[Jog On]

he has probably been awake for the last 10 days, but did not suit the UK to say so

It's probably just a big fake story to use as a pretext to purge Russian intelligence agents from the West after they uncovered plans for another false flag chemical attack in Syria.

[AtW]

With you on all of that - but are they really that incompetent to get him - his daughter - a copper - and not even kill any of them?

It's a question of chemistry - very hard to use something developed as WMD without killing lots of people, it's like trying to adopt a nuke to kill a specific person only, plus don't forget that running such ops on a foreign territory is much harder thing than getting it done in Moscow - there it's very easy for them, but in Britain - very hard.