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    Sri Lankan refugee couple are set for multi-million-pound NHS payout | Daily Mail Online

    Sri Lankan refugee couple are set for multi-million-pound NHS payout after their baby suffered irreversible brain damage at birth because midwives couldn't understand them
    Sinthiya Rajatheepan was not properly instructed on how to feed her new baby
    Her son Nilujan, eight, suffered devastating brain damage from malnutrition
    The High Court ruled midwives at King George's hospital failed the baby
    Judges will determine the level of compensation due during a later hearing
    OK its very sad but what about personal responsibility & their community?

    I thought it would have been an actual medical mistake but who doesn't know how to feed a baby?
    Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

    #2
    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    Sri Lankan refugee couple are set for multi-million-pound NHS payout | Daily Mail Online



    OK its very sad but what about personal responsibility & their community?

    I thought it would have been an actual medical mistake but who doesn't know how to feed a baby?
    Bonkers. This country is being raped by stupidity.
    ...my quagmire of greed....my cesspit of laziness and unfairness....all I am doing is sticking two fingers up at nurses, doctors and other hard working employed professionals...

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      #3
      Originally posted by vetran View Post
      Sri Lankan refugee couple are set for multi-million-pound NHS payout | Daily Mail Online



      OK its very sad but what about personal responsibility & their community?

      I thought it would have been an actual medical mistake but who doesn't know how to feed a baby?
      That hospital had its maternity ward closed down in 2013, following a poor 2011 report where all hospitals in Barking, Redbridge and Havering Trust were investigated due to the high number of mother and baby deaths.

      If you dig through old Daily Mail articles and forum reviews of maternity hospitals in that area it appears the midwives on the wards were frequently abusive to new mothers. They also told them mistruths about when birthing partners were allowed to stay, visit and the number they could have so would kick birthing partners out on a whim.

      Seems from this DM article the judge didn't believe the midwives' accounts, and these other factors would have helped secure the family a payout.

      Also you would be surprised about the number of people who know SFA about caring for babies which is why people are encouraged to go to antenatal classes. Obviously if you cannot speak English you would have a problem attending the classes and then meeting up/speaking to the people you met there.

      Finally don't presume all refugees have people from the same nationality living near them, and if they do they actually want to see these people. I've heard horror stories of refugees who were seriously abused including raped, walking into their abuser in the UK.
      "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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        #4
        Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
        That hospital had its maternity ward closed down in 2013, following a poor 2011 report where all hospitals in Barking, Redbridge and Havering Trust were investigated due to the high number of mother and baby deaths.

        If you dig through old Daily Mail articles and forum reviews of maternity hospitals in that area it appears the midwives on the wards were frequently abusive to new mothers. They also told them mistruths about when birthing partners were allowed to stay, visit and the number they could have so would kick birthing partners out on a whim.

        Seems from this DM article the judge didn't believe the midwives' accounts, and these other factors would have helped secure the family a payout.

        Also you would be surprised about the number of people who know SFA about caring for babies which is why people are encouraged to go to antenatal classes. Obviously if you cannot speak English you would have a problem attending the classes and then meeting up/speaking to the people you met there.

        Finally don't presume all refugees have people from the same nationality living near them, and if they do they actually want to see these people. I've heard horror stories of refugees who were seriously abused including raped, walking into their abuser in the UK.
        Maybe they need to find someone to talk their language & translate if they are unable to speak english? Or am I being unreasonable?

        I imagine there are books in their own language that cover child care?

        oh look

        Baby Basics – Pregnancy Sri Lanka, Pregnancy Information, Pregnancy Tracker | BabySpace Sri Lanka

        I'm assuming the squiggles are sri lankan?
        Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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          #5
          Originally posted by vetran View Post
          Maybe they need to find someone to talk their language & translate if they are unable to speak english? Or am I being unreasonable?

          I imagine there are books in their own language that cover child care?

          oh look

          Baby Basics – Pregnancy Sri Lanka, Pregnancy Information, Pregnancy Tracker | BabySpace Sri Lanka

          I'm assuming the squiggles are sri lankan?
          Fail.

          No such language as Sri Lankan.
          "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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            #6
            Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
            Fail.

            No such language as Sri Lankan.
            apologies it seems to be called Sinhala but you know what I'm not living in foreign country!
            When I did I made sure I understood enough to look after me & mine. I even paid my way. YMMV


            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Sri_Lanka
            Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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              #7
              Yet again the British taxpayer is on the hook for a payout.

              The first safe country for a Tamil refugee is India.

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                #8
                Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
                ...Finally don't presume all refugees have people from the same nationality living near them...
                When my wife arrived as a child, her family and her uncles family were the only people with the same nationality in a area.

                Originally posted by vetran View Post
                Maybe they need to find someone to talk their language & translate if they are unable to speak english? Or am I being unreasonable?
                Perfectly reasonable. In this case the "they" being the midwives. The judge ruled:

                "The hospital's midwifery team should have contacted the NHS 'language line' for help, or called for an interpreter."

                The responsibility lay with the midwife team to do this.

                One of the criteria for mother and baby to be discharged is that feeding is established. The judge said that this had not been done, and if it had been, the child would not have been left severely disabled in need of lifelong specialist care.

                The midwives failed, and devestating injury resulted. The midwives were responsible, no-one else, and therefore it is entirely correct that compensation to pay for the needed care be paid. The fact that mother is a refugee and had limited English is irrelevant (at least, to people who have an ounce of compassion).

                Would that all healthcare screwups were prevented, and where not, properly compensated and appropriate action taken.

                Originally posted by TwoWolves View Post
                Yet again the British taxpayer is on the hook for a payout.

                The first safe country for a Tamil refugee is India.
                That may be the case, but while someone is under the care of the British government, they're entitled to the same level of care from the NHS as anyone else.
                Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
                  When my wife arrived as a child, her family and her uncles family were the only people with the same nationality in a area.

                  Perfectly reasonable. In this case the "they" being the midwives. The judge ruled:

                  "The hospital's midwifery team should have contacted the NHS 'language line' for help, or called for an interpreter."

                  The responsibility lay with the midwife team to do this.

                  One of the criteria for mother and baby to be discharged is that feeding is established. The judge said that this had not been done, and if it had been, the child would not have been left severely disabled in need of lifelong specialist care.

                  The midwives failed, and devestating injury resulted. The midwives were responsible, no-one else, and therefore it is entirely correct that compensation to pay for the needed care be paid. The fact that mother is a refugee and had limited English is irrelevant (at least, to people who have an ounce of compassion).

                  Would that all healthcare screwups were prevented, and where not, properly compensated and appropriate action taken.

                  That may be the case, but while someone is under the care of the British government, they're entitled to the same level of care from the NHS as anyone else.
                  Either one believes in personal responsibility or one doesn't.

                  Now you would probably be the first to accuse someone with Diabetes or a heart condition who is overweight or smoking to be responsible for their condition despite the science on that only being partially proven and coming out in the last 40 years.

                  Yet something as basic as feeding your infant offspring successfully is the sole responsibility of the state despite childbirth & rearing being as old as man.

                  They got the same level of care as anyone else but there was a language barrier, the midwives failed to go further to overcome that and probably should be retrained & supported to do better but the parents failed in their basic duties.

                  Unless the parents are mentally challenged then as I pointed out there are free resources in their own language and a phone to contact others in your community wherever they are if you need advice.
                  Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by vetran View Post
                    Either one believes in personal responsibility or one doesn't.

                    Now you would probably be the first to accuse someone with Diabetes or a heart condition who is overweight or smoking to be responsible for their condition despite the science on that only being partially proven and coming out in the last 40 years.

                    Yet something as basic as feeding your infant offspring successfully is the sole responsibility of the state despite childbirth & rearing being as old as man.

                    They got the same level of care as anyone else but there was a language barrier, the midwives failed to go further to overcome that and probably should be retrained & supported to do better but the parents failed in their basic duties.

                    Unless the parents are mentally challenged then as I pointed out there are free resources in their own language and a phone to contact others in your community wherever they are if you need advice.
                    You should probably call the NHS lawyers and the presiding judge, and let them know that you’ve found a better argument that the one that they presumably used in their defence and in the judgement.

                    Or, just possibly, you’re not in possession of all the facts of the case and simply read it from the Mail rather than the actual arguments presented and the legal facts and precedents?

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