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biological birth sex is no longer acceptable according to some tosh on R4. The new term is birth assigned gender.Comment
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Originally posted by MarillionFan View PostFor ease of clarity Original PM, we'll just refer to you as a Sheila from now oneHis heart is in the right place - shame we can't say the same about his brain...Comment
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Originally posted by NigelJK View Postbiological birth sex is no longer acceptable according to some tosh on R4. The new term is birth assigned gender.
Using the term assigned implies someone had a choice in it however...
I wonder - if someone decides to have a test-tube baby and choose the sex - can the person sue if they feel the wrong sex was chosen.Comment
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Originally posted by original PM View PostThe thing is there are very few people who are not either male or female - in that they are born with male reproductive organs or female reproductive organs - neuter/hermaphrodite or intersex as they are collectively known are very very rare.
So the chance of being biologically misgendered is actually pretty much zero.
But remember we are not talking about people who are clearly biologically male but want to use a female pro noun because they feel they should be female because that is nothing to do with biological misgendering, instead it is to do with people choosing which gender role they wish to follow .. for today anyway.
Originally posted by NigelJK View Postbiological birth sex is no longer acceptable according to some tosh on R4. The new term is birth assigned gender.Originally posted by original PM View PostAnd that's the problem - it is not assigned - it is whether the x or y chromosome fertilised the egg.
Using the term assigned implies someone had a choice in it however...
I wonder - if someone decides to have a test-tube baby and choose the sex - can the person sue if they feel the wrong sex was chosen.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by original PM View PostAnd that's the problem - it is not assigned - it is whether the x or y chromosome fertilised the egg.
Using the term assigned implies someone had a choice in it however...
So having a third sex would cover most of these people, those who undergo gender reassignment and others who later decide to choose one of the many other genders. Also unless you are a health professional or one of their sexual partners then you shouldn't care what sex someone is.
Originally posted by original PM View PostI wonder - if someone decides to have a test-tube baby and choose the sex - can the person sue if they feel the wrong sex was chosen."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Having chromosomes (and possibly hormones?) for a different gender to your anatomy is pretty unusual though.
Using these cases as the basis for gender law is like basing abortion laws on the arguments about rape and incest, as people often try to argue - those are important things but a tiny proportion of cases.Originally posted by MaryPoppinsI'd still not breastfeed a naziOriginally posted by vetranUrine is quite nourishingComment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostIt's actually more complicated than that. Doctors and midwives gender babies on their sex organs not their chromosomes unless there is a clear problem with their sex organs. However there is an island in Latin America where lots of boys appear female until puberty, and there are female athleteswho only found out they actually had a Y chromosome at puberty. Then there are intersex people who the doctors convinced their parents to either make them male or female from birth as it was easiest operations they could and that's would was put on their birth certificate, even though the intersex person actually realised from about aged 5+ they were actually the more of the opposite sex.
So having a third sex would cover most of these people, those who undergo gender reassignment and others who later decide to choose one of the many other genders. Also unless you are a health professional or one of their sexual partners then you shouldn't care what sex someone is.
You aren't allowed to legally choose sex selection in the UK. I think there is one exception due to genetic conditions why having a Y chromosome will mean you have a particular illness.Comment
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Originally posted by MarillionFan View Post.. all of a sudden an ad comes up for something called Genderquake 'coming soon ...Work in the public sector? Read the IR35 FAQ hereComment
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Originally posted by d000hg View PostNot really, it's simply the distinction between physiological and psychological gender. You're only a bigot if you deny the existence of the latter or say it's not absolutely more important than the former.
Originally posted by SueEllen View PostProblem is all all this came in because most countries didn't have a third sex on official forms. If they had then those who don't fit into male and female would have been happy as they could argue they were misclassified at birth.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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