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Originally posted by CoolCat View PostBS patients have been transported in air ambulances in similar states many times, its not unusual. And its got FA to do with the state if the parents choose to transport their child to another hospital in another country.Last edited by vwdan; 26 April 2018, 15:03.Comment
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Originally posted by CoolCat View PostBS patients have been transported in air ambulances in similar states many times, its not unusual. And its got FA to do with the state if the parents choose to transport their child to another hospital in another country.
Stop being as thick as mince."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Re “Maybe true. But that doesn't extend to the Judge.” Having sat through a number of court cases it became obvious to me that the side able to afford the more expensive legal team almost always won, my naïve assumption in supposed British justice disappeared with that realisation.
Re “As above, except add other experts as fit.” Many relevant paediatric consultants from abroad have been on the media, and explained at length how different this patient would have been treated in their countries. UK medics tend to get dulled by constant exposure to the crap the NHS dishes out.
Re “Where are these foreign experts with claims of cure and treatment?” they never promised cure, but they have been on, for instance, the today programme on radio 4. They did explain at length the different ways such cases are handled in other countries.
Re “go into detail - I assume you're fully read up on his condition and are an expert in possible treatments. I thoroughly look forward to you reaching out to the family with your unparalleled expertise. “ no but I have listened to several professors of medicine from other countries, and their views on this matter, they have been on the media.
Re “Parents are entrusted to act in the best interests of their children - when it's believed that this is not the case somebody has to intervene. We don't allow child abuse…” the problem is the NHS is so massively different to the way many other developed countries would handle this case that it is arrogant in the extreme for the NHS to assume (as it always does) that it knows better than the rest of the developed world. Child abuse is different, taking your child to a different hospital here or abroad is absolutely nothing to do with the state, and in many cases, Ashya King for one, it is a life saving decision, in this case it would certainly lead to better care in the terminal stages, if nothing else.Comment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostWith exactly similar diseases?
Stop being as thick as mince.
Edit: As for the above, I'm really not getting into this with someone too thick to use quotes. Sort out your post so that's it vaguely readable without giving me an stroke and I'll come back to you.Comment
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Originally posted by CoolCat View PostRe “Maybe true. But that doesn't extend to the Judge.” Having sat through a number of court cases it became obvious to me that the side able to afford the more expensive legal team almost always won, my naïve assumption in supposed British justice disappeared with that realisation.
Re “As above, except add other experts as fit.” Many relevant paediatric consultants from abroad have been on the media, and explained at length how different this patient would have been treated in their countries. UK medics tend to get dulled by constant exposure to the crap the NHS dishes out.
Re “Where are these foreign experts with claims of cure and treatment?” they never promised cure, but they have been on, for instance, the today programme on radio 4. They did explain at length the different ways such cases are handled in other countries.
Re “go into detail - I assume you're fully read up on his condition and are an expert in possible treatments. I thoroughly look forward to you reaching out to the family with your unparalleled expertise. “ no but I have listened to several professors of medicine from other countries, and their views on this matter, they have been on the media.
Re “Parents are entrusted to act in the best interests of their children - when it's believed that this is not the case somebody has to intervene. We don't allow child abuse…” the problem is the NHS is so massively different to the way many other developed countries would handle this case that it is arrogant in the extreme for the NHS to assume (as it always does) that it knows better than the rest of the developed world. Child abuse is different, taking your child to a different hospital here or abroad is absolutely nothing to do with the state, and in many cases, Ashya King for one, it is a life saving decision, in this case it would certainly lead to better care in the terminal stages, if nothing else."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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Originally posted by SueEllen View PostSome people don't known when they, as well as others closely involved in the case, have been taken in by pro-lifers and religious leaders for their own gains.
Ashya King for me demonstrates more than this case how wrong the NHS often is, and its absolutely crystal clear to me the NHS is in the wrong.
Sorry I dont subscribe to the national religion (the NHS), but then it has killed several friends.Comment
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Originally posted by vwdan View PostI hear a lot of talk about the parents, their rights and their beliefs from the types of morons who are calling themselves Alfies Army and very little about what is truly in the best interests of the child.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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The biggest failing of the NHS is extending the life of old people yet seeming to rush indecently to the courts to end the life of young kids. And I say that coming from a wider family that has many nurses in the NHS.
Give Alfie the chance, I say. His parents like any others know when it is time to give up the fight. The time is not now.Comment
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The biggest failing of the NHS is extending the life of old people yet seeming to rush indecently to the courts to end the life of young kids.
Originally posted by washed up contractor View PostGive Alfie the chance, I say. His parents like any others know when it is time to give up the fight. The time is not now.
*Yes, I realise they took him off his ventilator and he's currently breathing unaided. That'll last until his next seizure.Comment
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