80% of population growth from immigration

[WTFH]

Did either of you read the article supplied with my concise answer?
Do you not agree with the reasoning in the article?

A direct response was provided, with a link to an article, which explains the rationale behind the answer.

It's fine if you don't agree with that, but don't go crying about having no direct answer, when you have been given one...



Ps. I thought it was Bean and Old Bean, is it now Young Vet & Old Vet?
C'mon, at least be consistent when trying to label others you disagree with

The article you quote says 3 generations. The figures Old Bean quotes says that anyone whose mother was not born in the UK is an immigrant, and anyone themselves, if they were not born in the UK, even if they and their parents are British citizens, is an immigrant.

You even posted accusing me of saying that anyone who says 2nd generation is still an immigrant is racist (12.37), then you changed to link to 3rd generation (12.56)

Maybe the question you could answer is: how many generations does a family need to be British citizens, live in the UK and never leave before you consider them British?

[xoggoth]

100% of the British Isles population growth is the result of immigration

Why do people keep trotting out this nonsense? The ancient Brits, Romans, Saxons, Vikings etc. all got on well together did they? Every mass migration throughout history has caused tensions. We should learn from the past, not keep repeating the same mistakes.

This growth of the population makes no sense at all. It is said we need young migrants due to an ageing population caused by a big increase in population after the war. If we fix the "baby boomer" problem with another huge increase in population what is going to happen when all these "migrant boomers" get old?

If articles in the news recently about how many workers will be forced out of jobs by technology are even partly true the problem will be even worse.

[vetran]

The article you quote says 3 generations. The figures Old Bean quotes says that anyone whose mother was not born in the UK is an immigrant, and anyone themselves, if they were not born in the UK, even if they and their parents are British citizens, is an immigrant.

You even posted accusing me of saying that anyone who says 2nd generation is still an immigrant is racist (12.37), then you changed to link to 3rd generation (12.56)

Maybe the question you could answer is: how many generations does a family need to be British citizens, live in the UK and never leave before you consider them British?

How many migrants and their dependants (born here or not) have to arrive before you believe its not managed?

[Bean]

The article you quote says 3 generations. The figures Old Bean quotes says that anyone whose mother was not born in the UK is an immigrant, and anyone themselves, if they were not born in the UK, even if they and their parents are British citizens, is an immigrant.

You even posted accusing me of saying that anyone who says 2nd generation is still an immigrant is racist (12.37), then you changed to link to 3rd generation (12.56)

Here's the '12:37' you refer to;
https://forums.contractoruk.com/gene...ml#post2579530
"Is everyone and every news outlet, that uses the term '2nd generation immigrant' - right wing?, as it seems to be prevalent... "

^^^That is a question about being right wing, definitely NOT what you accuse me of doing......just because YOU conflate right wing with racist is not my problem...

You seemed to go off on one about a right wing think tank, so I asked a question. Wanna retract your accusation now?
(Also, that question does not detract from my later post.)

Maybe the question you could answer is: how many generations does a family need to be British citizens, live in the UK and never leave before you consider them British?

You are assuming the 1st generation apply for citizenship (They don't always, i.e. Windrush), but let's assume that for now - my answer would be the same as Meridian has arrived at, the 2nd gen didn't immigrate as they were born here, so 2

[sasguru]

How many migrants and their dependants (born here or not) have to arrive before you believe its not managed?

Maybe we need the migrants because there's too many stupid people in the indigenous population e.g. you and Bean?
I mean in your firm, the talent are immigrants while you do the non-talent work, no?

[sasguru]

Here's the '12:37' you refer to;
https://forums.contractoruk.com/gene...ml#post2579530
"Is everyone and every news outlet, that uses the term '2nd generation immigrant' - right wing?, as it seems to be prevalent... "

^^^That is a question about being right wing, definitely NOT what you accuse me of doing......just because YOU conflate right wing with racist is not my problem...

You seemed to go off on one about a right wing think tank, so I asked a question. Wanna retract your accusation now?
(Also, that question does not detract from my later post.)


You are assuming the 1st generation apply for citizenship (They don't always, i.e. Windrush), but let's assume that for now - my answer would be the same as Meridian has arrived at, the 2nd gen didn't immigrate as they were born here, so 2

What are you wittering on about you complete imbecile?

The law states that children of naturalised British citizens (i.e. 1st gen immigrants) born in the UK are British. So from 2nd gen on.
A few may fall through the cracks e.g. Windrush due to ignorance, but that is the law.

So the point really is, why is MigrationWatch skewing the figures by including British born citizens (by law) in the immigration figures?

[Bean]

Maybe we need the migrants because there's too many stupid people in the indigenous population e.g. you and Bean?
I mean in your firm, the talent are immigrants while you do the non-talent work, no?

No, that is not correct.

HTH

[northernladuk]

3 pages in and no one has suggested 'Sending them all home'. We are improving.

[sasguru]

Another point about the immigration figures which is total bollux is including students. There is a business model in the Uk whereby foreign students come to uni and are charged vast amounts which keeps the education sector afloat. Assuming these people are immigrants is a pile of tulipe.

[Bean]

What are you wittering on about you complete imbecile?

The law states that children of naturalised British citizens (i.e. 1st gen immigrants) born in the UK are British. So from 2nd gen on.
A few may fall through the cracks e.g. Windrush due to ignorance, but that is the law.

So the point really is, why is MigrationWatch skewing the figures by including British born people (by law) in the immigration figures?

hahahaha, you're the imbecile - that's what I said most recently, in the exact post you quoted

You ought to take your meds.