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Wouldn't it be easier to implant everyone with a microchip in their hand or head so that they could monitor everything. It could be linked to your bank account as well.
Anyone without the chip would not be allowed to work/shop/etc.
If you're doing nothing wrong, then there's no problem. If you don't have the chip, or it records you doing something wrong, then you could automatically be tried and sentenced.
For offences where the punishment is a fine, it could be automatically deducted from your bank account. So, things like fraud etc. Or if you stole from a shop, it would automatically charge you for what you took (plus an admin fee). Or if you were doing 71mph on the motorway, or overstayed in a car park, etc.
And if you've done nothing wrong, then there's no problem.
Isn't that the way it goes?…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Funny isn't it its suggested we augment human operators with machine ones and its seen as one step towards a dystopian nightmare. Opponents say we would emulate Hitler or Stalin, who came to power because the government of the day were not solving social issues.
We have uncontrolled migration with the many issues that entails. If you challenge that you are accused of emulating Hitler.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostWe have uncontrolled migration
Maybe if our country controlled migration, say by allowing people to come to the country for up to 3 months without the need of a visa, etc (e.g. for a holiday)
If they wanted to stay longer than 3 months, they'd need to prove they had sufficient resources for themselves and their family so as not to be a burden on the UK's welfare system, and to have comprehensive sickness insurance cover.
If they wanted to stay longer than 3 months they'd need to register with the relevant authorities
If they behave in a way that seriously threatens the UK's fundamental interests, they could be deported
But the UK government - no one outside the UK is to blame - refuses to do this, then stirs up certain groups by implying that some foreigners are the reason why we don't have laws like that.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostBecause our government (not the fault of any other country or group of countries) chooses to do nothing to control migration.
Maybe if our country controlled migration, say by allowing people to come to the country for up to 3 months without the need of a visa, etc (e.g. for a holiday)
If they wanted to stay longer than 3 months, they'd need to prove they had sufficient resources for themselves and their family so as not to be a burden on the UK's welfare system, and to have comprehensive sickness insurance cover.
If they wanted to stay longer than 3 months they'd need to register with the relevant authorities
If they behave in a way that seriously threatens the UK's fundamental interests, they could be deported
But the UK government - no one outside the UK is to blame - refuses to do this, then stirs up certain groups by implying that some foreigners are the reason why we don't have laws like that.
They have failed to manage it both via the EU & non EU route.
They are required by membership of the EU to let any decent EU citizen who has a job to move here, they have also failed to manage the undesirable EU citizens (criminals, wasters etc) and remove them.
They have failed to build the infrastructure required from the increased tax that may or may not come from increasing the number of workers available which forces the wages down.
They have done this without any conversation with the existing populace and its all turning a bit nasty.
If UKIP or any other party want to gain significant votes they need to address this with the electorate. If they said
1. We won't allow enough people to inhabit Liverpool to come every year if you don't want us to. If you do we will help them to integrate.
2. We won't allow enough net immigration to require building something the size of Newcastle every year unless you want us to. If you do we will build enough infrastructure.
3. We will deport those that repay our kindness with criminal acts or treason.
4. We will work to make sure everyone regardless of background gets fair opportunities.
5. We will make sure positive discrimination is proportionate & fair.
They would probably win by a landslide.
Reality Check: Has a city the size of Newcastle come to the UK? - BBC NewsLast edited by vetran; 15 October 2018, 11:43.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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Originally posted by vetran View PostActually I partially agree with you our governments since 1997 have decided that they want mass migration. The figures prove that.
They have failed to manage it both via the EU & non EU route.
They are required by membership of the EU to let any decent EU citizen who has a job to move here, they have also failed to manage the undesirable EU citizens (criminals, wasters etc) and remove them.
They have failed to build the infrastructure required from the increased tax that may or may not come from increasing the number of workers available which forces the wages down.
They have done this without any conversation with the existing populace and its all turning a bit nasty.
If UKIP or any other party want to gain significant votes they need to address this with the electorate. If they said
1. We won't allow enough people to inhabit Liverpool to come every year if you don't want us to. If you do we will help them to integrate.
2. We won't allow enough net immigration to require building something the size of Newcastle every year unless you want us to. If you do we will build enough infrastructure.
3. We will deport those that repay our kindness with criminal acts or treason.
4. We will work to make sure everyone regardless of background gets fair opportunities.
5. We will make sure positive discrimination is proportionate & fair.
They would probably win by a landslide.
Reality Check: Has a city the size of Newcastle come to the UK? - BBC News
...unfortunately for us, they prefer hate, blame and fear, so no chance of getting my suggestion implemented.…Maybe we ain’t that young anymoreComment
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Originally posted by ladymuck View PostThat is such a dangerous statement and one that completely undermines the whole concept of privacy.
It's not about doing right or wrong, it's about being able to conduct your day to day activities without being unnecessarily spied on, monitored, tracked and logged.
It's an insidious nonsense excuse that monitoring the populace and collecting data on everyone is there to stop crime and prevent terrorism. All it does is subject law abiding citizens to controls that curtail their freedom and remove their privacy while the alleged real targets continue pretty much as they were.
(I haven't read the article as I avoid the daily fail on principle)
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Originally posted by WTFH View PostIf a party had implemented what I suggested, the "We need Brexit to stop immigration" argument would be proven to be dead in the water.
...unfortunately for us, they prefer hate, blame and fear, so no chance of getting my suggestion implemented.
Hey its been happening for 20 years, you could have stood for parliament any time you liked.
Its not just migration that was a catalyst though.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much.Comment
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