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Jenni Murray pulls out of Oxford talk amid trans row
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Originally posted by scooterscot View Postand charge her with a crime because, in their view, she did not recognise their sex.
Sex then stays the same, gender can apparently change. It becomes hazy because while many people thought they were referring to peoples sex when they said male/female, another group thought they were referring to gender. This can of course lead to accusations of misgendering, etc.Comment
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Murry said that a so-called trans women can never have the same experiences as women who aren't trans. They've never had periods, they've grown up to a certain point as a male. They may well have had quite different experiences from males who've never desired to be a different gender (or felt that they are), and certainly shouldn't be, e.g., beaten up for it, but they've definitely not had the same experiences as women who aren't trans.
The trans activists insist that those experiences aren't what matters. What matters is what you identify as. Only. Personally, I think that's a load of tosh, and by denying the validity of non-trans women's experiences, is in fact a form of misogyny.Down with racism. Long live miscegenation!Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostMurry said that a so-called trans women can never have the same experiences as women who aren't trans. They've never had periods, they've grown up to a certain point as a male. They may well have had quite different experiences from males who've never desired to be a different gender (or felt that they are), and certainly shouldn't be, e.g., beaten up for it, but they've definitely not had the same experiences as women who aren't trans.
The trans activists insist that those experiences aren't what matters. What matters is what you identify as. Only. Personally, I think that's a load of tosh, and by denying the validity of non-trans women's experiences, is in fact a form of misogyny.Comment
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Originally posted by NotAllThere View PostThe trans activists insist that those experiences aren't what matters. What matters is what you identify as. Only. Personally, I think that's a load of tosh, and by denying the validity of non-trans women's experiences, is in fact a form of misogyny.
This woman and many like her are denying the same to trans women and is wrong. You don't hear the same vitriol from men about trans men. For a man to turn up at work dressed as a woman is not trivial or a phase, that's how he feels he fits into the world. To be told she is not a real woman is a rejection of self. Gender is complex and can be fluid, man and woman are the same species with some differential ratios of certain hormones which manifest themselves in a physicality. Just think of Men with prostate cancer on hormone treatment (PCa feeds on testosterone), they grow breasts and have pseudo menstrual cycles i.e. one week a month they are tetchy.
For the record though I have no truck with the current movement towards self-identification as that has been proven to be an avenue to abuse and violence. A man transiting to a woman should be qualified by practitioners as a dual safe guard.But I discovered nothing else but depraved, excessive superstition. Pliny the youngerComment
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Originally posted by jds 1981 View PostGender - don't conflate the two. As I understand it, gender used to apply to words. Sex is what we all thought it to be. Gender was then used to attempt to group characteristics which may have aligned a little with sex.
Sex then stays the same, gender can apparently change. It becomes hazy because while many people thought they were referring to peoples sex when they said male/female, another group thought they were referring to gender. This can of course lead to accusations of misgendering, etc."Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". Mark TwainComment
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Originally posted by scooterscot View PostActually some are defending the right not to be referred as having a gender, neither a him or a her. That's fine. Just don't make it law.
There is something really not right about the amount of power behind this PC movement, compelled speech and restrictions on free speech along with a declawed and emasculated male population are a Machiavellian wet dream"Is someone you don't like allowed to say something you don't like? If that is the case then we have free speech."- Elon MuskComment
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Originally posted by Jog On View PostThere is something really not right about the amount of power behind this PC movement, compelled speech and restrictions on free speech along with a declawed and emasculated male population are a Machiavellian wet dreamComment
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Interesting story in the Wail today about 4 trans women beating a bloke senseless and stamping on him. It's been considered so serious it's going to Crown Court rather than being handled by Magistrates.
Following on the comments previously about physical differences it will be interesting to see if their strength comes in to any cases like this. I know there are many women stronger than men but it's on a scale. I don't think there is much of an argument when you consider a man is generally stronger than a woman so will this affect the case in hand....'CUK forum personality of 2011 - Winner - Yes really!!!!Comment
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Originally posted by northernladuk View PostInteresting story in the Wail today about 4 trans women beating a bloke senseless and stamping on him. It's been considered so serious it's going to Crown Court rather than being handled by Magistrates.
Following on the comments previously about physical differences it will be interesting to see if their strength comes in to any cases like this. I know there are many women stronger than men but it's on a scale. I don't think there is much of an argument when you consider a man is generally stronger than a woman so will this affect the case in hand...."Is someone you don't like allowed to say something you don't like? If that is the case then we have free speech."- Elon MuskComment
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