Feminatsi wants cake and then some...

[original PM]

Really? You want to show the world how much of an arsehole you are with this post?

I am commenting on a thread about how some woman wants the chance to claim rape if she feels like it.

For clarity though I do not in anyway condone anyone who uses any form of coercion to obtain anything from another human being.

But I have been drunk and slept with people I may not have chosen had I been sober - always made them a coffee before i left mind you.

[Old Greg]

I am commenting on a thread about how some woman wants the chance to claim rape if she feels like it.

For clarity though I do not in anyway condone anyone who uses any form of coercion to obtain anything from another human being.

But I have been drunk and slept with people I may not have chosen had I been sober - always made them a coffee before i left mind you.

Can I lend you a bigger spade?

[mudskipper]

I am commenting on a thread about how some woman wants the chance to claim rape if she feels like it.

This happens so very, very rarely that it's practically a non issue.

The Eastenders storyline is that the girl got drunk, flirted with two guys and went to bed with one of them consensually. She went to sleep/passed out and when she came to, the other was on top of her. Assuming the facts of the case as presented to the viewers are correct, then that is rape even if she was snogging him earlier in the evening.


Even if 5% of rape claims are invented, that means 95% are not. And it's the guys you're worrying about??

[stonehenge]

Even if 5% of rape claims are invented, that means 95% are not.

(No irony this time)

How many (date) rape victims go to the Police? (small %)

And of those that are reported to the Police, how many get the go-ahead from the CPS to charge? (small %)

And of those that go to trial, how many are convicted? (small %)

Very sadly, in the overwhelming majority of cases, there is no justice for victims.

[cojak]

I am commenting on a thread about how some woman wants the chance to claim rape if she feels like it.

For clarity though I do not in anyway condone anyone who uses any form of coercion to obtain anything from another human being.

But I have been drunk and slept with people I may not have chosen had I been sober - always made them a coffee before i left mind you.

Funnily enough, I have not had a long term relationship with every man I slept with, but I liked them all in some way else I wouldn’t have got where I was with them. They were funny, or nice, or had the same interests as me.

They weren’t ‘munters’ as you so charmingly put it - they were people who had pride and feelings.

So if you dumped someone who wasn’t good looking, I can only imagine that you must also have been dumped in such a fashion - I just hope she made you a coffee too.

[GJABS]

If a woman can be too drunk to give consent, can a man be too drunk to understand whether that consent has been given?

[Jog On]

The Eastenders storyline is that the girl got drunk, flirted with two guys and went to bed with one of them consensually. She went to sleep/passed out and when she came to, the other was on top of her.

Not sure why this is even up for discussion.

[NotAllThere]

For clarity though I do not in anyway condone anyone who uses any form of coercion to obtain anything from another human being.

Oh come on. As a project manager, that's practically your job!

[xoggoth]

Technology should be able to solve this problem with an updated version of the chastity belt. A much smaller high tech device that requires one to sort a complex problem. If you're drunk you won't manage it.

More seriously if a drunken couple engage in sex willingly, why is the bloke anymore to blame than the lady?

[vetran]

I think the problem is that it seems quite reasonably while "no means no" the converse is not true, "yes does not necessarily mean yes".

Consent can appear to be given under the effects of a FEW drinks with both sides being similarly intoxicated and changed in the morning from the penetrated side.

This is then treated the same as someone being dragged screaming into an alley. The male's life is ruined because he has no anonymity despite the accusation appearing to have little basis or at least evidence.

I would like to see anonymity until the police can convince a judge make releasing he accused identity like obtaining a search warrant.

I would also suggest we go for a lower level offence where consent is likely to have been give under reasonable intoxication but withdrawn later say a sexual misconduct charge so we actually get some convictions in this circumstance.

Why Agreement to Sex Is Not Consent | Psychology Today

so you are reading along & nodding until you get to this:

Let’s call dishonesty or failure of disclosure aimed at increasing the chance that the impending sexual act will occur ‘sexual deceit’. Sexual deceit thus encompasses both failure to disclose information about oneself as well as lying about oneself.

this of course depends on the degree of deceit but you can imagine the fun the CPS will have with this.

In 2000 an Israeli man Eran Ben Avraham was convicted of fraud for pretending to be a pilot and a medical doctor in order to have sex with a woman.

after that it seems to start to depart from reality. This is not a women's power website its a respected medical website.