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    "Katie says: "Someone might happily consent to having sex with you at one point and then later change their mind.

    "Or might agree to one sexual act and not another.

    "We have to be able to communicate with each other in order to make sure we're respecting each others wishes."

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    "In the EastEnders storyline, Ruby wakes up to find someone on top of her.

    "Consent is agreeing by choice and you need to be in the capacity to make that choice," says Katie.

    "If someone is drunk or asleep then they can't make that choice."

    Well duhhh. If your drunk your not going to be thinks straight.

    EastEnders: Busting myths around sexual consent - BBC News

    When you have a night out and both are drunk you cannot in the heat of moment when both are out of it come to an a sexual agreement. This woman movement is getting stupid. Surely it means the same both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cosmic View Post
    "Katie says: "Someone might happily consent to having sex with you at one point and then later change their mind.

    "Or might agree to one sexual act and not another.

    "We have to be able to communicate with each other in order to make sure we're respecting each others wishes."

    And then they say


    "In the EastEnders storyline, Ruby wakes up to find someone on top of her.

    "Consent is agreeing by choice and you need to be in the capacity to make that choice," says Katie.

    "If someone is drunk or asleep then they can't make that choice."

    Well duhhh. If your drunk your not going to be thinks straight.

    EastEnders: Busting myths around sexual consent - BBC News

    When you have a night out and both are drunk you cannot in the heat of moment when both are out of it come to an a sexual agreement. This woman movement is getting stupid. Surely it means the same both ways.
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    We're dangerously towards the point where it's rape the morning after if you're not the prince you looked like through her beer goggles the night before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LondonManc View Post
    We're dangerously towards the point where it's rape the morning after if you're not the prince you looked like through her beer goggles the night before.
    That’s the old slippery slope scenario isn’t it “we’re dangerously close to...”

    If a person says no to a sex act, that should be taken to mean no. I realise that is an anathema to some of the lotharios on here, but it’s as simple as that. Do you disagree?

    We’re not dangerously close to anything that can’t be sorted with a bit of self control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WTFH View Post
    That’s the old slippery slope scenario isn’t it “we’re dangerously close to...”

    If a person says no to a sex act, that should be taken to mean no. I realise that is an anathema to some of the lotharios on here, but it’s as simple as that. Do you disagree?

    We’re not dangerously close to anything that can’t be sorted with a bit of self control.
    Exactly. The legal basis for sex is consent. Consent depends on capacity. Capacity to consent is sometimes impaired by intoxication. Join the dots.
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    The problem with alcohol seems to be that it is difficult to define when someone is too drunk. If someone is so hammered they can barely talk then they obviously cannot consent to anything but what if they have a glass of wine? Two glasses? Where is the line?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyUserName View Post
    The problem with alcohol seems to be that it is difficult to define when someone is too drunk. If someone is so hammered they can barely talk then they obviously cannot consent to anything but what if they have a glass of wine? Two glasses? Where is the line?
    If you are not sure whether somebody has the capacity to consent, then best refrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Greg View Post
    If you are not sure whether somebody has the capacity to consent, then best refrain.
    Of course but it is not always easy to tell how someone feels, or how they will consider themselves to have felt the next day.

    They might present as chatty, happy and fully capable of consenting to whatever but might, the next day, consider themselves to have been unfairly swayed by alcohol because they had two glasses of wine.

    Not everyone necessarily appears as drunk as they feel and not everyone necessarily has the same bar for when they are too drunk to consent to something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyUserName View Post
    Of course but it is not always easy to tell how someone feels, or how they will consider themselves to have felt the next day.

    They might present as chatty, happy and fully capable of consenting to whatever but might, the next day, consider themselves to have been unfairly swayed by alcohol because they had two glasses of wine.

    Not everyone necessarily appears as drunk as they feel and not everyone necessarily has the same bar for when they are too drunk to consent to something.
    If you can't tell, then best refrain.
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    Withdrawing consent after the fact because you changed your mind and regret it having consented at the time is an issue over in the US. Girls are doing it after one night stands when the guy doesn't call her back or refuses to have a relationship.

    Alcohol does complicate the issue somewhat but people are starting to insist on getting evidence of consent before the act - even blockchain smart contracts apparently!

    From what I've seen of actual popular opinion from rational people of both genders is that withdrawing consent after actually consenting is not something to be encouraged.
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